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#1 pattie12

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:48 PM

Hello,

does anyone know the articling rates of UNB grads? How hard is it to find a job upon graduation?

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#2 East

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:15 AM

Hello,

does anyone know the articling rates of UNB grads? How hard is it to find a job upon graduation?

thnx 

 

You may want to contact the Career Services Office at Ludlow Hall, they keep tabs on students who graduate (or try to keep tabs anyway) to make sure everyone who wanted articles finds them. 

 

Generally speaking, everyone who wants articles gets them, it just depends on how much you're willing to compromise. There are only 3 big regional firms, they hire 1-2 students per office and most of them come from either UNB or Dal. Outside of that, smaller but still mid-size firms from Atlantic cities do OCIs and may hire someone. A lot of the onus is on you as the student and article seeker to find articles though, so how hard it is would probably depend on how much work you put into knocking on doors. The aforementioned CSO and Martha (she's great by the way) down in that office, is always able to help you one way or another.



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:26 AM

I don't know how much all the articling students are getting paid, but one friend just got articles at $30,000/year (no benefits, no overtime, no holiday pay). I'm friends with a few other people who article for one of the bigger firms that make $36,000 and get a signing bonus. That's all the info I have. As for the finding articles if you want them, it is a very difficult time right now. A lot of people just are not hiring. People with amazing resumes don't have anything.



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 10:20 AM

I don't know how much all the articling students are getting paid, but one friend just got articles at $30,000/year (no benefits, no overtime, no holiday pay). I'm friends with a few other people who article for one of the bigger firms that make $36,000 and get a signing bonus. That's all the info I have. As for the finding articles if you want them, it is a very difficult time right now. A lot of people just are not hiring. People with amazing resumes don't have anything.

 

You may want to contact the Career Services Office at Ludlow Hall, they keep tabs on students who graduate (or try to keep tabs anyway) to make sure everyone who wanted articles finds them. 

 

Generally speaking, everyone who wants articles gets them, it just depends on how much you're willing to compromise. There are only 3 big regional firms, they hire 1-2 students per office and most of them come from either UNB or Dal. Outside of that, smaller but still mid-size firms from Atlantic cities do OCIs and may hire someone. A lot of the onus is on you as the student and article seeker to find articles though, so how hard it is would probably depend on how much work you put into knocking on doors. The aforementioned CSO and Martha (she's great by the way) down in that office, is always able to help you one way or another.

 

How sure are you guys of that info re. bigger firms?

 

The reason I ask is because I articled in 2012/2013, and there was no signing bonus, but the salary was higher than $36k (not including benefits, Xmas bonus, etc.) There were also 7 articling students at the Halifax office my firm, and about the same at the Halifax offices of the other two "big law" firms (almost all from UNB and Dal). I'd be surprised if salaries dropped, and I know the number of articling students hired hasn't dropped (in fact there are more this year than in 2012/2013.)


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:30 AM

How sure are you guys of that info re. bigger firms?

 

The reason I ask is because I articled in 2012/2013, and there was no signing bonus, but the salary was higher than $36k (not including benefits, Xmas bonus, etc.) There were also 7 articling students at the Halifax office my firm, and about the same at the Halifax offices of the other two "big law" firms (almost all from UNB and Dal). I'd be surprised if salaries dropped, and I know the number of articling students hired hasn't dropped (in fact there are more this year than in 2012/2013.)

 

I'm only speaking from what I see/hear. In 2014, 2015 and 2016 hiring cycles there were no more than 2 UNB students in each year hired at any one office of the large firms, the most I had heard of total for articling positons at one office was 4, and that was a post-merger type of deal. I don't know much about Halifax but I do know that some other branches of the large firms chose not to hire anyone this year at all.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 06:56 AM

I'm only speaking from what I see/hear. In 2014, 2015 and 2016 hiring cycles there were no more than 2 UNB students in each year hired at any one office of the large firms, the most I had heard of total for articling positons at one office was 4, and that was a post-merger type of deal. I don't know much about Halifax but I do know that some other branches of the large firms chose not to hire anyone this year at all.

 

Yeah, there are likely big differences between the Halifax offices of the big firms and the NB/PE/NL offices in terms of hiring.

 

UNB students seem to do decently well in Halifax. It's true the majority of Halifax hires are from Dal (I'm a Dal grad), but that could be due to self selection by UNB students to look elsewhere as anything else.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:53 PM

How sure are you guys of that info re. bigger firms?

 

The reason I ask is because I articled in 2012/2013, and there was no signing bonus, but the salary was higher than $36k (not including benefits, Xmas bonus, etc.) There were also 7 articling students at the Halifax office my firm, and about the same at the Halifax offices of the other two "big law" firms (almost all from UNB and Dal). I'd be surprised if salaries dropped, and I know the number of articling students hired hasn't dropped (in fact there are more this year than in 2012/2013.)

 

I only know what my friends who work at those firms have told me. Whether it's the truth or not, I can't speak for that. But none of them work in Halifax; all NB. 


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 07:23 PM

I don't know how much all the articling students are getting paid, but one friend just got articles at $30,000/year (no benefits, no overtime, no holiday pay). I'm friends with a few other people who article for one of the bigger firms that make $36,000 and get a signing bonus. That's all the info I have. As for the finding articles if you want them, it is a very difficult time right now. A lot of people just are not hiring. People with amazing resumes don't have anything.

 

$36,000 is not accurate for big regional firms in NB. The salary at one of the three is $46,000 + benefits (health, dental, life and disability insurance, parking, bar admission course + fees). I'm not sure of the exact figure for the others but I imagine Stewart McKelvey, McInnes Cooper and Cox and Palmer all offer similar compensation to articling students. I haven't heard of anyone receiving a "signing bonus", but at least one of the three offers a forgivable loan for 3L. 



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Posted 15 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

I've heard 30% cant find articles. That seems high to me. I'd guess, within 6 months of graduating only about 10% of those that want articles cant get them. I'm just guessing though.