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Hi,

 

What do you think is the future of Windsor law? Is its reputation growing? Also, what are the articling prospects like for uWindsor students? Did most of your classmates secure an articling position at good firms?

 

The future of Windsor law...... Hmm, without my crystal ball handy I'm not sure. However, I will say this much, it's reputation is fine and will only grow stronger. 

 

I'm currently a 2L student so myself and my classmates are currently (or will) applying for articling positions. I have a fair number of friends that are on bay street and other big multinational firms that have articling secured but I'm not worried about the rest of my classmates securing good articling positions too. 

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The future of Windsor law...... Hmm, without my crystal ball handy I'm not sure. However, I will say this much, it's reputation is fine and will only grow stronger. 

 

I'm currently a 2L student so myself and my classmates are currently (or will) applying for articling positions. I have a fair number of friends that are on bay street and other big multinational firms that have articling secured but I'm not worried about the rest of my classmates securing good articling positions too. 

 

Thank you. Would you say the majority of students will receive a decent articling position by second year? Is there any data that shows how each school does when it comes to placing 2nd and 3rd year students in articling positions (OCIs etc)?

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Thank you. Would you say the majority of students will receive a decent articling position by second year? Is there any data that shows how each school does when it comes to placing 2nd and 3rd year students in articling positions (OCIs etc)?

 

There is no data that I am aware of.

 

Decent articling position by second year? The formal recruit for articling begins in May after second year. Do you mean third year? I have no idea. If it makes you feel better most of the 3Ls I talked to this year had articling positions somewhere, but I do not know the % of students that had positions lined up.

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Does Windsor provide a good amount of diversity in their upper-year courses (i.e. criminal, real estate...). Is there a type of law that is underrepresented at Windsor?

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Does Windsor provide a good amount of diversity in their upper-year courses (i.e. criminal, real estate...). Is there a type of law that is underrepresented at Windsor?

 

I would say there is a good amount of choices for upper year courses. Probably not as selective as schools such as Oz or Ottawa, but I think there's some specific interesting classes. Two I can think off the top of my head would be Animal Law and White Collar Crime.  

 

I'm guessing there's probably some super specific corporate law courses Windsor doesn't offer, however I would say it's easy to fill up your schedule with classes you'll find interesting. 

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I have a few questions, so please bare with me! (Sorry!)

 

First, as every law school cliche, I'm interested in big law. You touched on it a bit, but would you say that the reputation of the school has an impact on hiring? For summers, articling, etc.

Second, in terms of academics, would you say it is difficult to maintain grades and such? And how are marking/course layouts? 

Third, I'm going to live in Canterbury College, and I was wondering how far things are from the university? When I drove around there, (I'm going to be without a car in the fall), the grocery store and the shopping plazas seemed a bit far. 

 

Thank you!! 

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I have a few questions, so please bare with me! (Sorry!)

 

First, as every law school cliche, I'm interested in big law. You touched on it a bit, but would you say that the reputation of the school has an impact on hiring? For summers, articling, etc.

Second, in terms of academics, would you say it is difficult to maintain grades and such? And how are marking/course layouts? 

Third, I'm going to live in Canterbury College, and I was wondering how far things are from the university? When I drove around there, (I'm going to be without a car in the fall), the grocery store and the shopping plazas seemed a bit far. 

 

Thank you!! 

 

1. I think the reputation has very little to no impact on hiring for students. Once you have an interview I think the likelihood of getting a job is entirely in your hands. The school will get your foot in the door, the rest is up to you. Either way don't be discouraged or concerned about the school's reputation because many of my colleagues are summering/articling in biglaw.

 

2. I'd say it depends. It's different from undergrad because you're now competing against others that expect to have top marks as well. I find that some people figure out how to write law school exams easily while others struggle. Either way 1L is set up so that your midterm marks (dec exams) are weighted a lot less for most of your courses so even if you have some trouble with the exams you have time to go over what you can improve for winter exams.

 

3. Canterbury is a great place. I've been there many times, super close to the school. Yes I would say the one major drawback is the distance from stores. The closest grocery store is on Huron Church Rd. and it's about a 3-5 min drive. You could bike there, but again with groceries not the best option. I know that every Tuesday night there's a free bus that leaves from campus to the grocery store you could look more into, but otherwise try and find a friend with a car.

 

Hope these answers help and feel free to ask any further questions.

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Is there a Facebook group or other website where roommate listings are posted by/for Windsor students?

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Is there a Facebook group or other website where roommate listings are posted by/for Windsor students?

 

Windsor Law Students - All Years has some posts. Otherwise if there's a class of 2019 group created that would be another place to look.

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Does articling typically cover most of the cost of tuition? Do most law students find employement soon after graduation?

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Does articling typically cover most of the cost of tuition? Do most law students find employement soon after graduation?

 

Depends on how much debt you have, if you have savings to cover some of the cost of tuition, where you article (i.e. corporate law pays more than crim law), and other expenses (i.e. having to rent a place in TO). 

 

I will say that most of the 3Ls I've talked to found employment (articling positions - no idea if they secure an associate job), however I do not have any concrete evidence to back up how many/what percentage of students find employment. 

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I'm not overly interested in corporate law (at this point) or relocating, especially to Toronto, for any articulating or summer jobs. Have you found that there is positions available in smaller centers or in Windsor? Or will I have to move to Toronto to find a position?

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I'm not overly interested in corporate law (at this point) or relocating, especially to Toronto, for any articulating or summer jobs. Have you found that there is positions available in smaller centers or in Windsor? Or will I have to move to Toronto to find a position?

 

There are definitely job opportunities in smaller cities. The difficulty is that it's not as obvious as jobs in larger cities (such as Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa, etc.) because they are not advertised in an obvious way, such as OCIs. Our Career Centre does a good job of advising students of employers in Windsor and other places about jobs, however you may have to do some research and/or networking yourself.

 

There is a dedicated period for articling interview schedule for Southwest Ontario and other places where firms will typically advertise positions (usually early summer before you begin articles). There are also positions that pop up later in the year after all the formal recruit, usually at smaller firms when they can better assess if they have the resources to support an articling student, and this goes the same for summer students as well.

 

In summary, yes there are jobs, maybe not as many, but it will take extra attention/effort to seek out the positions.

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I'm not overly interested in corporate law (at this point) or relocating, especially to Toronto, for any articulating or summer jobs. Have you found that there is positions available in smaller centers or in Windsor? Or will I have to move to Toronto to find a position?

 

I should also note that there aren't many places in Windsor (or I believe other "small" cities) that hire summer students. There are some but definitely not as many as Toronto. There are more opportunities for articling in these places.

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What were your first year classes like? Mostly lectures? Lot's of discussion? Was the general tone of class different, perhaps even elevated, from what you were used to in undergrad? What strategies did you find successful in specific courses? What were professors expectations like?

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I should also note that there aren't many places in Windsor (or I believe other "small" cities) that hire summer students. There are some but definitely not as many as Toronto. There are more opportunities for articling in these places.

 

Are there jobs generally available after 1L for those that want them? I have a lot of government work experience, have graduate degrees and thus am older. Would that make a difference or is it mostly down to grades (or a combination i imagine)? 

 

Thanks.

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What were your first year classes like? Mostly lectures? Lot's of discussion? Was the general tone of class different, perhaps even elevated, from what you were used to in undergrad? What strategies did you find successful in specific courses? What were professors expectations like?

 

First year classes were mostly lectures. there are a couple classes designed for more discussion based learning (i.e. access to justice), otherwise it's only lectures (and tutorials should you choose to attend).

 

For the purposes of this question i'll assume you did a BA in something... it's not that much different. There is more material, and it may or may not be more complex, but otherwise the format is generally the same (go to lectures, do your readings, write exams, etc.)

 

I found that my strategies varied a lot from the class. Some profs rely on the textbook, others don't even require readings from a textbook, sometimes it's useful to read the text before class, other times it's not. It really does depend on your prof. What I did find helpful is taking really good notes on material for the week of that class, so that way come December or April, you don't have to spend time going back and making better notes (and make sure you are always caught up! it will seem overwhelming if you get behind).

 

Prof expectations: I would say they are very cognizant of the fact most students haven't taken any law classes before, and in first year (especially at the beginning) they will walk you through it.

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Are there jobs generally available after 1L for those that want them? I have a lot of government work experience, have graduate degrees and thus am older. Would that make a difference or is it mostly down to grades (or a combination i imagine)? 

 

Thanks.

 

1L jobs (at a firm or law related) are tough to land. There is a 1L recruit around January and, from what I know, it comes down mostly to grades, but they also look at experience and undergrad marks. I'm not too knowledgeable about the process, but I'm of the opinion that it doesn't take anything besides time and effort to apply so I would encourage you to apply even if your 1L marks by January (at this point you'll likely only have 2 or 3 marks) aren't superb.

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How large was your largest 1L class?

 

Most classes are lectures and there are 80ish students in them. The smallest are classes such as access to justice which has about 25 students.

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