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[hillsofmexico]

I have been rummaging through admission statistics over the last few cycles, specfically for Ontario Law Schools, and found the LSAT scores quite high, even late in the process. It would lead one to think noone gets accepted with a LSAT below the 75% percentile. The truth is probably closer aligned to hesistancy about reporting low LSAT scores.

Please feel no qualms about reporting your score or what you've heard folks getting in with. Your input is very valued and the only judgement I would pass is you're a helpful person.

I'm interested in Ontario but others might be more interested in schools outside the province. Please submit admitted GPA/LSAT coupling for any school you know of. Please keep the statistics low--borderline scores or those that may not appear in past admitted threads--and specify whether it was a general or special circumstances.

This may seem ridiculous but I'm probably not the only one concerned about entry this term with borderline statistics.


Big Thanks.

[apenn034]

3.87 (CGPA) / 149 - General - Ottawa

There is hope for those who absolutely loathe the LSAT.

[junius52]

3.45 (best two) ... I forget my CGPA but it's a bit lower. / 161 - General - Ottawa. I guess not THAT low.. but seems to buck the trend of Ottawa favouring CGPA.

Between myself and the above poster.. Ottawa would seem like a crapshoot

[Jyeatbvg]

I've seen many high cGPA-low LSAT applicants get accepted, but fewer low cGPA-high LSAT applicants get accepted. Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group. Does anyone know of people with low GPA's that got accepted?

[KER_2012]

Jyeatbvg, on 16 February 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

I've seen many high cGPA-low LSAT applicants get accepted, but fewer low cGPA-high LSAT applicants get accepted. Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group. Does anyone know of people with low GPA's that got accepted?

I'm in the exact same boat. Canadian schools in general seem to favour GPA over LSAT.

[hillsofmexico]

Some stats I've dug up

Osgoode january 2012,
LSAT: 161
CGPA: "So shit I don't want to calculate.
B2: Probably around a 3.6"

UBC feb 2012,
LSAT 172
B2 "77% (with drops)"

Windsor Feb 2011 for JD
LSAT - 167
GPA - 2.7

Windsor August 2011 for JD
LSAT: 153
GPA: 3.4

Edited by hillsofmexico, 16 February 2012 - 09:27 AM.

[Bure10]

Lowest at TRU I believe is 153...

[classof2013]

KER_2012, on 16 February 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

I'm in the exact same boat. Canadian schools in general seem to favour GPA over LSAT.

I was in the exact same boat. I had a pretty high LSAT compared to the average, but my CGPA was really low, and my best 2/last 2 GPA was below the admittance average at pretty much all Canadian law schools. I was waitlisted at all three of the schools I applied to, but I did ultimately end up getting in my first year applying.

From my own experience and talking to others, I think the favour towards GPA is forgotten once you hit a certain LSAT score. So if you aren't able to increase your GPA, do everything you can to get your LSAT as high as you possibly can.

Also, I just want to mention that getting in off the waitlist or with a low undergrad GPA doesn't mean you can't excel in law school. I was one of the last people let in off of the waitlist, and I ended up in the top 25% of my class in first year, and so far my grades from second year would put me in the top 5% of my class.

Goodluck

[Mal]

Jyeatbvg, on 16 February 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

I've seen many high cGPA-low LSAT applicants get accepted, but fewer low cGPA-high LSAT applicants get accepted. Unfortunately, I'm in the latter group. Does anyone know of people with low GPA's that got accepted?

I know quite a few people in the 2.9-.3.1 gpa range with 170+ lsat's that got into law school.

[FindMeMikeRoss]

Mal, on 16 February 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

I know quite a few people in the 2.9-.3.1 gpa range with 170+ lsat's that got into law school.

With my 171 and 3.3 I was getting a little nervous, but you've just put me at ease.

[orion88]

I think your waiting findmemikeross because you have a 158/158/171 right? Which average's out to a 162, there's a lot of speculation but it seems the ontario schools initially rank apps by cgpa/average LSAT which would initially put you in the bottom of the pile, you'll probably be waiting at least a month on Ontario...but you should hear back from U of C soon, I'd bet on you getting in there

[FindMeMikeRoss]

orion88, on 16 February 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

I think your waiting findmemikeross because you have a 158/158/171 right? Which average's out to a 162, there's a lot of speculation but it seems the ontario schools initially rank apps by cgpa/average LSAT which would initially put you in the bottom of the pile, you'll probably be waiting at least a month on Ontario...but you should hear back from U of C soon, I'd bet on you getting in there

I knew that initial ranking was holding me back at the Queen's but I didn't know about the others. Another month eh? Shucks.

[orion88]

im in the same boat...

[Phoenix-Wright]

3.3 and 171 and you're still waiting to hear back? Oh dear.

Is that a 3.3cgpa, or B2/L2?

[FindMeMikeRoss]

Phoenix-Wright, on 16 February 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

3.3 and 171 and you're still waiting to hear back? Oh dear.

Is that a 3.3cgpa, or B2/L2?

That's B2. cGPA is 3.1.

[dan1010]

Has anyone else heard of the reverse trend happening, meaning high GPA and low LSAT? I realize this happens at Ottawa, but how about other schools?

[RonnieRockstar]

This is happening at Osgoode too right now, where several people with 3.8+ cGPA and below 160 LSAT have been admitted.

[theprophet89]

Never really made sense to me to prefer GPA over LSAT... Future splitter here (3.2 B2/L2). There are infinitely many reasons for having a bad/good GPA, and even then you can't compare two different programs/schools accurately because of the variables.

The LSAT is self-explanatory; standardized test with controlled conditions that are uniform to all writers.

[aidie]

If anything, there are infinitely many reasons for having a low LSAT, as it's a stand-alone occurrence for half a day, and tests the kind of knowledge that many are not immediately comfortable with. cGPA allows for four years of study, and show the consistency in an applicant's habits and ability to handle school. Even if you fucked up in your first or second year, most schools (perhaps not Ottawa) are still forgiving to that and consider your final two years, or your best two years.

[yeahman]

I can already see this turning into all the high GPA/low LSAT folk advocating the merits of CGPA and low CGPA/high lsat folk advocating the merits of the LSAT. Both are valuable, imperfect tools for predicting law school success. As far as what is a better measure, there is no consensus among law schools themselves, so I doubt anyone here can claim as such with any accuracy. It is interesting to note that Canadian schools appear to favour GPA more, while American schools are much more LSAT friendly. Is one approach superior to the other? It seems to be a matter of philosophy, but we can all probably agree that an applicant who excels in both measures is better qualified than one who excels in one or the other.

Edited by yeahman, 16 February 2012 - 04:29 PM.

[hillsofmexico]

Please stay on point folks,
I'd like to know specific admitted statistics for a given institution in the last few cycles. I want this to develop into a thorough compendium of admissions on the lower fringe. There are still many schools not covered.
Cheers!

[jmcazabon]

Is there a reason for this information, or just pure curiosity oh what is the lowest LSAT or CGPA that has been accepted by any school?

[erinl2]

I'm not sure what the information gathered here will tell you, other than an incomplete picture of any given year at any individual school. Have a look at the In/Admitted threads. They're as complete a source as you're likely to find.