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[This_is_Sparta]

I did not make that generalization. But it is possible that ALWAYSXOXO, if he/she applied under the Aboriginal category, could get into UT law with the aforementioned stats.

Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

Anyways, I've been typing from my smart-phone all day, and I am not really in the mood to argue.
The purpose of my initial post was to let you know, albeit indirectly, that your question is both demeaning and idiotic.

[riddle]

Rashabon, on 12 April 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Even with incredible softs or applying within the aboriginal category, it's almost impossible to get a U of T acceptance with a 3.3/162. This idea that the aboriginal category necessarily mandates that people with uncompetitive stats are getting into school is offensive, most people who apply through aboriginal category have competitive stats on top of being an aboriginal applicant.

If I'm not mistaken someone with lower stats than a 3.3/162 did get into UofT as an aboriginal applicant. Read the Aboriginal thread. Also, I don't think anybody suggested anything about mandates. My understanding is that, from my own application process, aboriginals are looked at more 'holistically'.

[Pyke]

riddle, on 12 April 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken someone with lower stats than a 3.3/162 did get into UofT as an aboriginal applicant. Read the Aboriginal thread. Also, I don't think anybody suggested anything about mandates. My understanding is that, from my own application process, aboriginals are looked at more 'holistically'.

For what it's worth, I know one of the "aboriginal" category students had a perfect LSAT score in the last five years. Agree that they are assessed holistically according to U of T, but their position (U of T's, I mean) as an elite school means they can attract a pretty strong group, regardless. I can only think of one student in my time there who shouldn't have been in the program - and they didn't finish.

[This_is_Sparta]

riddle, on 12 April 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken someone with lower stats than a 3.3/162 did get into UofT as an aboriginal applicant. Read the Aboriginal thread. Also, I don't think anybody suggested anything about mandates. My understanding is that, from my own application process, aboriginals are looked at more 'holistically'.

riddle, on 12 April 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

If I'm not mistaken someone with lower stats than a 3.3/162 did get into UofT as an aboriginal applicant. Read the Aboriginal thread. Also, I don't think anybody suggested anything about mandates. My understanding is that, from my own application process, aboriginals are looked at more 'holistically'.

I believe you are referring to esther414; this applicant has been accepted into UT law this cycle with a 3.3/155.

http://lawstudents.c...s/page__st__570

[alwaysXOXO]

Thank you to those who posted on my behalf in reply to Rashabon - I saw it, and neglected to reply on the grounds that I didn't think the reply I had in mind would be appropriate.

As This_is_Sparta suggested, I was expecting a stronger December 2011 or February 2012 LSAT score, because I anticipated having more time to prepare. I did not foresee myself having so many term papers and finals to deal with, and in turn, neglected to prepare adequately. The December administration of the LSAT was the first test I had written, and the application to OLSAS was due November 1st.

I would have loved to have the opportunity to go to UofT, and if I had not applied in light of my GPA being not competitive enough and not having any LSAT scores to consider, I think I would have regretted it.

[esther414]

This_is_Sparta, on 13 April 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

I believe you are referring to esther414; this applicant has been accepted into UT law this cycle with a 3.3/155.

http://lawstudents.c...s/page__st__570

Apparently this wasn't the case for alwaysXOXO, but yes, I did get in to UT law back in January. My GPA is only an estimate based of chart calculations, but it would be around there. So I'd say that, in my experience, it seems they do have a rather holistic approach for Aboriginal applicants.

[Pyke]

A minor point but, I wouldn't want to go to a school where I was 20 percentile points below the next weakest student, given the importance of grades/etc. While LSAT/GPA is not a perfect predictor of law school performance, it is still a pretty good gauge of how you stack up against your peers...

[Mal]

Pyke, on 14 April 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

A minor point but, I wouldn't want to go to a school where I was 20 percentile points below the next weakest student, given the importance of grades/etc. While LSAT/GPA is not a perfect predictor of law school performance, it is still a pretty good gauge of how you stack up against your peers...

Don't necessarily disagree, but I would think it depends on your career objectives. If an aboriginal applicant wants to work with native bands after their law degree their grades aren't going to be as important as an example. If you want to go to bay street as a aboriginal applicant, I'm still not sure you wouldn't take the bet on UofT.

I'd also be a lot less worried about it in the law school setting given how they grade. You just need to be aware of your disadvantages and work hard to get into the fat part of the curve.

There is actually a few articles on this in the States for URM candidates. One study I read had the statistic of something on the order of 90% of black students in the bottom 10% at the top 14 schools it studied. It's a topic that is a bit uncomfortable though for obvious reasons. I know serdog posted his grades in another thread (he shouldn't have) which matched the idea that it might be more difficult for aboriginal students to compete with their peers.

[Pyke]

Mal, on 14 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Don't necessarily disagree, but I would think it depends on your career objectives. If an aboriginal applicant wants to work with native bands after their law degree their grades aren't going to be as important as an example. If you want to go to bay street as a aboriginal applicant, I'm still not sure you wouldn't take the bet on UofT.

I'd also be a lot less worried about it in the law school setting given how they grade. You just need to be aware of your disadvantages and work hard to get into the fat part of the curve.

There is actually a few articles on this in the States for URM candidates. One study I read had the statistic of something on the order of 90% of black students in the bottom 10% at the top 14 schools it studied. It's a topic that is a bit uncomfortable though for obvious reasons. I know serdog posted his grades in another thread (he shouldn't have) which matched the idea that it might be more difficult for aboriginal students to compete with their peers.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the study you're citing... and I'm also basing this on my experiences in law school.

Not saying the student shouldn't go to U of T, just that it's something they should consider.

[morena]

Rejected (around March 15th)

Knew it was coming. Just applied for the heck of it.

LSAT: 156
CGPA: 3.59
BEST 2: 3.78

Oh UofT lol