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[Bike Tester]

In the recruitment material, Queen's claimed that it had the best articling rate in Ontario. That would necessarily make it have a better articling rate than U of T, which is supposedly the best. What gives? Does this mean Queen's is on its way to surpassing U of T in terms of prestige?

[theiva4]

No chance! UofT is always #1 i think there are at like 53% articling rate for the large firms. Queen's Western and Osgoode all have very similar articling rates for these bay street firms ~30-35%.

[Mal]

Bike Tester, on 28 December 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:

In the recruitment material, Queen's claimed that it had the best articling rate in Ontario. That would necessarily make it have a better articling rate than U of T, which is supposedly the best. What gives? Does this mean Queen's is on its way to surpassing U of T in terms of prestige?

I assume they mean best articling rate as in total employment, rather than the more accurate numbers provided by Ultra Vires (big firms placement is what most care about, and is where UofT shines). Since most Ontario schools place upwards of 90% the difference between UofT and Queens in total employment could simply be 1-2 people deciding to do something else or having a hard time for any reason.

It does not mean anything in terms of prestige, it is a meaningless distinction.

[schroed]

I agree with Mal. There's no way we're placing better than UofT in Toronto biglaw.

[ILLogic]

Mal is right.

refer to appendix 6, for the latest stats on articling placement by school. I posted this when it first came out but few noticed. Unless you go to U of Ottawa, your odds of being "placed" for articling are similiar at the ontario schools.

http://www.lsuc.on.c...x?id=2147486339


and I'm not sure why people are jumping to the conclusion Queen's claim has anything to do with large toronto firms, I guess that is all some people care about...

[Uriel]

I was surprised at how many U of T grads in my class were voluntarily unemployed after graduation. I think the school attracts a lot of people that have ambitions outside legal practice (academia, politics, business, etc.) and, frankly, people that don't have to worry about money, so I would actually be surprised if we were on top in terms of articling placement generally.

[schroed]

Uriel, on 30 December 2011 - 09:14 PM, said:

people that don't have to worry about money

Oh man, I wish I was one of those people

[Bike Tester]

ILLogic, on 29 December 2011 - 05:37 PM, said:

Mal is right.

refer to appendix 6, for the latest stats on articling placement by school. I posted this when it first came out but few noticed. Unless you go to U of Ottawa, your odds of being "placed" for articling are similiar at the ontario schools.

http://www.lsuc.on.c...x?id=2147486339


and I'm not sure why people are jumping to the conclusion Queen's claim has anything to do with large toronto firms, I guess that is all some people care about...

Hmm, even Ottawa U doesn't seem that bad according to that. It's the "National Program" that really brings the numbers down. Unless I'm mistaken, English Common Law at Ottawa U appears to be roughly comparable to the other schools.

[5khh]

I don't know why Queen's claims that and why U of T doesn't...

Edited by 5khh, 08 January 2012 - 02:51 AM.

[Pyke]

5khh, on 08 January 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I don't know why Queen's claims that and why U of T doesn't...

U of T has plenty of claims that attract enough applicants that it probably doesn't care.