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I'm a third year law student in the English Common Law Program at U of O Law.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 07:03 AM
Hey DoubleD,
This is awesome, can't believe nobody has jumped on this yet. My questions are about jobs:
1) Did you work in 2L summer prior to 3L, which I guess is right now? How did the majority of the class do? Did most people find law work in 2L summer?
2) How many 3Ls are finding articles prior to graduating? Is the economy still making things tough for graduating students, or are jobs starting to open up?
3) For us incoming 1Ls, what do you recommend in terms of activities? ie. pro bono society, legal aid clinic, mooting etc.
Thanks again for doing this!
This is awesome, can't believe nobody has jumped on this yet. My questions are about jobs:
1) Did you work in 2L summer prior to 3L, which I guess is right now? How did the majority of the class do? Did most people find law work in 2L summer?
2) How many 3Ls are finding articles prior to graduating? Is the economy still making things tough for graduating students, or are jobs starting to open up?
3) For us incoming 1Ls, what do you recommend in terms of activities? ie. pro bono society, legal aid clinic, mooting etc.
Thanks again for doing this!
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 04:07 AM
Hey Excelsior,
1) Did you work in 2L summer prior to 3L, which I guess is right now? How did the majority of the class do? Did most people find law work in 2L summer?
Hard to speak for others, but I did not work for a law firm this summer or last. I had worked in law firms on a volunteer basis for 3 years prior to law school. Criminal Law firms are cheap in Ottawa, and will only take on students if you work for free. Thus I decided to work for the Government instead. I know about five or six students in my year with summer jobs, but they are mostly in Toronto, working for national firms in areas of employment law, IP and so forth.
If you want to work in Family, Criminal or ADR, you're in for a rough ride.
2) How many 3Ls are finding articles prior to graduating? Is the economy still making things tough for graduating students, or are jobs starting to open up?
The Ottawa Bar isn't stepping up to the plate when it comes to employment. U of O is cramming 50 or more additional students into law each year, with no corresponding jobs opening up here. If you marks are top notch, i.e. A's, you'll find a job in some sectors. For the rest of us, many have to go to Toronto or out West to find jobs. The competition in Ottawa is fierce - youre looking at no more than 20-25 articling positions in the city, versus hundreds of potential applicants. While I have heard of one person in Ottawa having an articling position locked up, the rest have gone to Toronto. Ottawa U tells people that over 90% of their grads find articling positions but this is a lie. The statistics are more like 70% - many, many folks I know got frustrated with the articling search and went into government or another field.
3) For us incoming 1Ls, what do you recommend in terms of activities? ie. pro bono society, legal aid clinic, mooting etc.
Good question. First of all, extracurriculars are vitally important. Legal Aid Clinic and Moots are your best bet, followed by volunteer work with local law firms and plenty of charity work.
Legal Aid Clinic work is most appropriate for people looking to do criminal law, landlord tenant, or who are interested in social justice work. It probably won't help you that much if you want to work in IP, corporate or financial, or anything else not involving low-income clients. Mooting on the other hand, is a great way to hone your written and oral advocacy skills, while making your resume jump out at prospective employers.
Plenty of opportunities will come up to volunteer with small firms or sole practitioners. You can also make some cold calls and it wont be hard to find someone to take you on with them. Not only will you get practical experience this way, but you will build contacts which are VITAL. Make no mistake, unless you have straight A's (which only the top 5% of students will get), nothing will come easy for you. Your application needs to be neat and to the point, volunteer/charity experience will help, but the best indicator of success next to your grades is your ability to put your skills into practice.
1) Did you work in 2L summer prior to 3L, which I guess is right now? How did the majority of the class do? Did most people find law work in 2L summer?
Hard to speak for others, but I did not work for a law firm this summer or last. I had worked in law firms on a volunteer basis for 3 years prior to law school. Criminal Law firms are cheap in Ottawa, and will only take on students if you work for free. Thus I decided to work for the Government instead. I know about five or six students in my year with summer jobs, but they are mostly in Toronto, working for national firms in areas of employment law, IP and so forth.
If you want to work in Family, Criminal or ADR, you're in for a rough ride.
2) How many 3Ls are finding articles prior to graduating? Is the economy still making things tough for graduating students, or are jobs starting to open up?
The Ottawa Bar isn't stepping up to the plate when it comes to employment. U of O is cramming 50 or more additional students into law each year, with no corresponding jobs opening up here. If you marks are top notch, i.e. A's, you'll find a job in some sectors. For the rest of us, many have to go to Toronto or out West to find jobs. The competition in Ottawa is fierce - youre looking at no more than 20-25 articling positions in the city, versus hundreds of potential applicants. While I have heard of one person in Ottawa having an articling position locked up, the rest have gone to Toronto. Ottawa U tells people that over 90% of their grads find articling positions but this is a lie. The statistics are more like 70% - many, many folks I know got frustrated with the articling search and went into government or another field.
3) For us incoming 1Ls, what do you recommend in terms of activities? ie. pro bono society, legal aid clinic, mooting etc.
Good question. First of all, extracurriculars are vitally important. Legal Aid Clinic and Moots are your best bet, followed by volunteer work with local law firms and plenty of charity work.
Legal Aid Clinic work is most appropriate for people looking to do criminal law, landlord tenant, or who are interested in social justice work. It probably won't help you that much if you want to work in IP, corporate or financial, or anything else not involving low-income clients. Mooting on the other hand, is a great way to hone your written and oral advocacy skills, while making your resume jump out at prospective employers.
Plenty of opportunities will come up to volunteer with small firms or sole practitioners. You can also make some cold calls and it wont be hard to find someone to take you on with them. Not only will you get practical experience this way, but you will build contacts which are VITAL. Make no mistake, unless you have straight A's (which only the top 5% of students will get), nothing will come easy for you. Your application needs to be neat and to the point, volunteer/charity experience will help, but the best indicator of success next to your grades is your ability to put your skills into practice.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 11:25 AM
Thanks double d, based on your response I have to say I'm glad i have no interst in ADR or crim law!
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 08:53 AM
Hey DD!
Like Excelsior, I'm shocked that more people aren't taking advantage of this. I just wanted to get a general sense of what the people are like in law school (specifically uOttawa, since that's where I'm headed!). I've heard some horror stories about schools being filled with anti-social types that are overly competitive and mean to each other. What's your general opinion of the uOttawa population? Are there any total wankers we should look out for?
Like Excelsior, I'm shocked that more people aren't taking advantage of this. I just wanted to get a general sense of what the people are like in law school (specifically uOttawa, since that's where I'm headed!). I've heard some horror stories about schools being filled with anti-social types that are overly competitive and mean to each other. What's your general opinion of the uOttawa population? Are there any total wankers we should look out for?
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Posted 23 July 2011 - 10:51 AM
DD you're a gem.
1. How accessible did you find the profs? Must make appointments or drop-in?
2. Do you have a favourite prof?
3. How often do you actually get to socialize with the firms in the city?
1. How accessible did you find the profs? Must make appointments or drop-in?
2. Do you have a favourite prof?
3. How often do you actually get to socialize with the firms in the city?
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:53 AM
Hey DD!
Like Excelsior, I'm shocked that more people aren't taking advantage of this. I just wanted to get a general sense of what the people are like in law school (specifically uOttawa, since that's where I'm headed!). I've heard some horror stories about schools being filled with anti-social types that are overly competitive and mean to each other. What's your general opinion of the uOttawa population? Are there any total wankers we should look out for?
Hi Larry,
Generally, most people that go to law school are nice and approachable, however, yes there are some anti-social, right-wing nutcases that will cry to the Dean and try to get you expelled. My advice is to be friendly and respectful, and don't pay attention to the gossip. Try not to be too trusting either. At the end of the day, don't become a library hermit crab like most people do. Its not worth 10-12 hrs a day of studying to get an A, when you can get an A- with one or two hrs of work. Take care of your own shit and don't rely on others!
therumpshaker:
1) I found most profs to be quite accessible. The contract profs (read: practitioners) I find are more accessible and pleasant than some of the tenured profs who can be assholes. This is not true of all, but some profs insulate themselves from questions and get irritated when students ask them. I think they picked the wrong field.
2) My favourite professor is David Paciocco. He teaches intro to crim, evidence, crim evidence and crim justice trial advocacy. He is bar none the best professor to have. Take trial advocacy and evidence for sure, even if you dont want to do crim law. You just plain learn from him and want to go to class. Hes a great guy has been both a Crown Attorney and defence lawyer.
3) Every other week you will have wine & cheeses and so forth to meet with some firms, but it is not ideal because you are competing with so many other people for a persons' attention. Take your own initiative and e-mail some lawyers, ask questions or volunteer with the firm. There are no shortage of small firm that will take on a student willing to work for free. Learn how to market yourself with business cards and such, and MAKE SURE you visit the Career and Professional Development Office and get your cover letter and resume looked over. I thought my was fine until I went there. Eight revisions later....
Like Excelsior, I'm shocked that more people aren't taking advantage of this. I just wanted to get a general sense of what the people are like in law school (specifically uOttawa, since that's where I'm headed!). I've heard some horror stories about schools being filled with anti-social types that are overly competitive and mean to each other. What's your general opinion of the uOttawa population? Are there any total wankers we should look out for?
Hi Larry,
Generally, most people that go to law school are nice and approachable, however, yes there are some anti-social, right-wing nutcases that will cry to the Dean and try to get you expelled. My advice is to be friendly and respectful, and don't pay attention to the gossip. Try not to be too trusting either. At the end of the day, don't become a library hermit crab like most people do. Its not worth 10-12 hrs a day of studying to get an A, when you can get an A- with one or two hrs of work. Take care of your own shit and don't rely on others!
therumpshaker:
1) I found most profs to be quite accessible. The contract profs (read: practitioners) I find are more accessible and pleasant than some of the tenured profs who can be assholes. This is not true of all, but some profs insulate themselves from questions and get irritated when students ask them. I think they picked the wrong field.
2) My favourite professor is David Paciocco. He teaches intro to crim, evidence, crim evidence and crim justice trial advocacy. He is bar none the best professor to have. Take trial advocacy and evidence for sure, even if you dont want to do crim law. You just plain learn from him and want to go to class. Hes a great guy has been both a Crown Attorney and defence lawyer.
3) Every other week you will have wine & cheeses and so forth to meet with some firms, but it is not ideal because you are competing with so many other people for a persons' attention. Take your own initiative and e-mail some lawyers, ask questions or volunteer with the firm. There are no shortage of small firm that will take on a student willing to work for free. Learn how to market yourself with business cards and such, and MAKE SURE you visit the Career and Professional Development Office and get your cover letter and resume looked over. I thought my was fine until I went there. Eight revisions later....
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Seriously?
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 06:53 AM
I actually think that having business cards sounds like a great idea. Its so tough these days to get anyone to remember you. A few questions come to mind on this topic:
1) Do you have any recommendations in terms of having them made up?
2) What kind of title would one use/give themselves?
3) How many would you say you have given out during your time at law school?
4) Did you notice any improvement in terms of people remembering you/getting back to you?
Thanks!
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1) Do you have any recommendations in terms of having them made up?
2) What kind of title would one use/give themselves?
3) How many would you say you have given out during your time at law school?
4) Did you notice any improvement in terms of people remembering you/getting back to you?
Thanks!
LB
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erinl2, on 24 July 2011 - 02:14 PM, said:
Seriously?
I just got my bachelor of commerce and it has very similar career development/networking opportunities to those offered at law school and they also strongly encourage people having business cards made up. Its a way of showing the recruiters that you are taking the whole process seriously.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:21 AM
Larry, it may seem like a good idea but, honestly, it isn't. Networking may be important to a certain extent but the way to get people to remember you is to make a good impression, not to hand them a card that says, Joe Schmo, Law Student. Business cards are called business cards for a reason. Law students are not conducting business. Trust me, you will look silly handing a lawyer a business card.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:40 AM
erinl2, on 25 July 2011 - 07:21 AM, said:
Larry, it may seem like a good idea but, honestly, it isn't. Networking may be important to a certain extent but the way to get people to remember you is to make a good impression, not to hand them a card that says, Joe Schmo, Law Student. Business cards are called business cards for a reason. Law students are not conducting business. Trust me, you will look silly handing a lawyer a business card.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
Edited by remit, 25 July 2011 - 08:42 AM.
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remit, on 25 July 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:
I'm with Erin on this one. Someone gave me a business card during O-week last year and I couldn't take him seriously...couldn't imagine what a lawyer would think. Although I'm sure there are lawyers out there who would love that sort of stuff
I agree with you entirely. I was not saying I would have the business cards for myself...just meant that the career development office at my school strongly encourages them for networking events and conferences the school sent us to.
Edited by Kleese86, 25 July 2011 - 08:58 AM.
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Hey DoubleD,
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
- Does it really matter what profs you get in your 1L for the core curriculum? In other words would a student in section X would learn less than a student in section Y?
- In your opinion, what makes a prof good or bad?
- If you could go back to your 1L what are the things you would definitely avoid or spend more time with?
- How does the professors take it if you disagree with them?
- How many hour of study is necessary for per hour of class?
- What are the best options to prepare for a class and review after class.
- This final question might sound silly, but I need to know. Do many people use perfumes and scented products? Unfortunately, I am one of those odd people who show reaction to most chemicals in scented products and I get sick. And to anyone who is reading this post; please be easy on scented products. =)
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 04:53 AM
This thread is a good example of the need for students to use discretion when posting in a public forum.
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LawNerd, on 25 July 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:
Hey DoubleD,
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
- Does it really matter what profs you get in your 1L for the core curriculum? In other words would a student in section X would learn less than a student in section Y?
- In your opinion, what makes a prof good or bad?
- If you could go back to your 1L what are the things you would definitely avoid or spend more time with?
- How does the professors take it if you disagree with them?
- How many hour of study is necessary for per hour of class?
- What are the best options to prepare for a class and review after class.
- This final question might sound silly, but I need to know. Do many people use perfumes and scented products? Unfortunately, I am one of those odd people who show reaction to most chemicals in scented products and I get sick. And to anyone who is reading this post; please be easy on scented products. =)
Law Nerd,
Professors and what you like/dislike about them is entirely subjective. It will depend on your learning style, your personality, and your level of understanding of the subject matter. Profs that I have loved, others have hated and vice versa. As with any school you will have some that you don't like and some that you will disagree with entirely, but that is part of learning. Just roll with it...you'll get through regardless.You will probably find the things you liked/disliked about undergrad professors will be the same thing you like/dislike about law school professors. If you really find your professor is terrible, chances are others in your class are also struggling. So use that. Get together with them and start a study group or something and help each other learn the material. As far as disagreeing with your professors, don't be afraid to. I have never seen a professor react poorly to it. Law school is about having opinions so don't be afraid to share yours (within reason).
Please don't let posts like Double D's scare you. The professors are (generally speaking) fantastic and every one of them has a lot to offer in their own ways. Just try and go in with an open mind, stay on top of your work as much as possible and be prepared to seek help when you're confused on something. You'll be fine.
Also, as far as the scented products, I have a similar allergy. Technically FTX is supposed to be a scent free building and for the most part people seem pretty good about it...of course there is always a few people who think they are the exception to the rule, but you should be ok. I've only ever had one class where it became a major issue. I just figured out who it was that was setting me off and made sure to sit far away from them. If you're really sensitive to cigarette smoke as well, I would recommend using a side entrance instead of the main one as the smokers tend to congregate at the doors and ignore the 9 m rule.
Edited by kf203, 26 July 2011 - 05:24 AM.
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erinl2, on 25 July 2011 - 07:21 AM, said:
Larry, it may seem like a good idea but, honestly, it isn't. Networking may be important to a certain extent but the way to get people to remember you is to make a good impression, not to hand them a card that says, Joe Schmo, Law Student. Business cards are called business cards for a reason. Law students are not conducting business. Trust me, you will look silly handing a lawyer a business card.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
Kleese, I understand the theory behind what business profs are professing but recruiters during the OCI process have no difficulty knowing that applicants are taking things seriously. Having a business card isn't going to make you seem more serious about the legal profession and getting a job.
Save your money. When you actually have a legal job, your firm will provide you with business cards.
What about if it's a "calling card" instead of a business card? I have these for when I travel that just have my full name and email address already written out to save the cocktail napkin scenario. I dont think there is any real harm but I am not sure if I would give them out.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 07:51 AM
Yaaaay!!!! I will be starting my first year of law school this September and am super excited!!! I also just discovered this site and it looks like there is some great advice available here. DoubleD your thread seems to be a hot one so I just had to join in! Thank you for all your advice!
Throughout high school and my undergraduate studies, I have been involved in student council and student societies since I think we should all do what we can to improve the student experience! DoubleD, I see you have done much to improve the law school at U of O, I think that is terrific! I have heard many negative things about the administration at U of O, however. What types of things were you able to improve at the school? What is the greatest hurdle? Also, what would you suggest for a person like me who would love to be involved in the types of efforts that you mentioned. I'd very much like to improve the reputation at U of O, but I don't want my efforts to be futile...
In regard to the business card debate, I don't know...if a student handed me a business card, I would giggle to myself...it seems a little silly. Any lawyer would probably wonder why the h-e-double hockey stick this chump is wasting money given the cost of tuition!
Throughout high school and my undergraduate studies, I have been involved in student council and student societies since I think we should all do what we can to improve the student experience! DoubleD, I see you have done much to improve the law school at U of O, I think that is terrific! I have heard many negative things about the administration at U of O, however. What types of things were you able to improve at the school? What is the greatest hurdle? Also, what would you suggest for a person like me who would love to be involved in the types of efforts that you mentioned. I'd very much like to improve the reputation at U of O, but I don't want my efforts to be futile...
In regard to the business card debate, I don't know...if a student handed me a business card, I would giggle to myself...it seems a little silly. Any lawyer would probably wonder why the h-e-double hockey stick this chump is wasting money given the cost of tuition!
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Throughout high school and my undergraduate studies, I have been involved in student council and student societies since I think we should all do what we can to improve the student experience! DoubleD, I see you have done much to improve the law school at U of O, I think that is terrific! I have heard many negative things about the administration at U of O, however. What types of things were you able to improve at the school? What is the greatest hurdle? Also, what would you suggest for a person like me who would love to be involved in the types of efforts that you mentioned. I'd very much like to improve the reputation at U of O, but I don't want my efforts to be futile...
Hi Heatloaf,
Getting involved in the school is a great opportunity to make contacts, help your fellow students out and pad your resume. Here are a few suggestions in order of importance:
1) Try out for a Moot. Best thing you can do to make yourself stand out.
2) Run for CLSS membership or another exec position
3) Apply for internships or volunteer with a local law firm. Plenty of opportunities here.
4) Apply for an RAship with a prof in the summer. Good money and a great way to get a good reference letter.
As for improving the student experience, what I did is make it known through social media that I was the guy to send your horror stories and complaints to. People started to email, call and approach me with their beefs about the admin, and I took those complaints directly to the Vice Rector Francois Houle. In two cases, he ordered the Ombudswoman Lucie Allaire to investigate and make recommendations.
If you want to pick up where I left off, do the same thing, and prepare a formal report or case study that you can submit to the Dean and Vice Rector. You also need the threat of making concerns public, anonymously of course, to get things done. When Allan Rock publised an Op Ed in the Citizen awhile back trumping how great everything was at Ottawa U, I sent him a lengthy e-mail with our concerns and hinted that I might write a reply in the Citizen. A week later he personally contacted me to meet with the Vice Rector to discuss how to "fix" the school.
The moral of the story is to be proactive, make your case known and don't let the issues be swept under the rug. The school knows its reputation isn't the greatest and it reads the trash talk on the internet. Public perception can help or hinder recruitment, so I have to believe the school wants to improve the student experience. Good luck!
Hi Heatloaf,
Getting involved in the school is a great opportunity to make contacts, help your fellow students out and pad your resume. Here are a few suggestions in order of importance:
1) Try out for a Moot. Best thing you can do to make yourself stand out.
2) Run for CLSS membership or another exec position
3) Apply for internships or volunteer with a local law firm. Plenty of opportunities here.
4) Apply for an RAship with a prof in the summer. Good money and a great way to get a good reference letter.
As for improving the student experience, what I did is make it known through social media that I was the guy to send your horror stories and complaints to. People started to email, call and approach me with their beefs about the admin, and I took those complaints directly to the Vice Rector Francois Houle. In two cases, he ordered the Ombudswoman Lucie Allaire to investigate and make recommendations.
If you want to pick up where I left off, do the same thing, and prepare a formal report or case study that you can submit to the Dean and Vice Rector. You also need the threat of making concerns public, anonymously of course, to get things done. When Allan Rock publised an Op Ed in the Citizen awhile back trumping how great everything was at Ottawa U, I sent him a lengthy e-mail with our concerns and hinted that I might write a reply in the Citizen. A week later he personally contacted me to meet with the Vice Rector to discuss how to "fix" the school.
The moral of the story is to be proactive, make your case known and don't let the issues be swept under the rug. The school knows its reputation isn't the greatest and it reads the trash talk on the internet. Public perception can help or hinder recruitment, so I have to believe the school wants to improve the student experience. Good luck!
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Just read the thread quickly and feel that DD is a bit of a "glass if half-empty" guy/gal. If you're a first year, ignore the rumours, study hard, do your research re employers in Ottawa or your area, and prepare to cold call. There are lots of opportunities but I feel like we are generally afraid to get our hands dirty or to work with a smaller employer and/or in a smaller town. And please please don't try to be somebody you're not 'cause you'll make a fool out of yourself.
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Hey,
True or false, they hold OCIs in the Winter Term of first year? Someone told me this but I just wanted to confirm. What are the chances firms are going to hire someone after receiving only his/her fall grades?
True or false, they hold OCIs in the Winter Term of first year? Someone told me this but I just wanted to confirm. What are the chances firms are going to hire someone after receiving only his/her fall grades?
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Comrade84, on 09 August 2011 - 03:44 PM, said:
And please please don't try to be somebody you're not 'cause you'll make a fool out of yourself.
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Zayra1, on 11 August 2011 - 12:05 PM, said:
Hey,
True or false, they hold OCIs in the Winter Term of first year? Someone told me this but I just wanted to confirm. What are the chances firms are going to hire someone after receiving only his/her fall grades?
True or false, they hold OCIs in the Winter Term of first year? Someone told me this but I just wanted to confirm. What are the chances firms are going to hire someone after receiving only his/her fall grades?
As far as I know there are no OCI's for first year positions. Very few firms will hire a first year student, and those that do are not likely using the OCI process. OCI's for second year summer positions are held in early fall of second year. Applications are submitted in the summer before 2nd year.
*note: that's for Ontario firms. I don't know if the same is true for other centres like Calgary or Vancouver or the Maritimes...
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 01:26 PM
kf203, on 11 August 2011 - 01:16 PM, said:
As far as I know there are no OCI's for first year positions. Very few firms will hire a first year student, and those that do are not likely using the OCI process. OCI's for second year summer positions are held in early fall of second year. Applications are submitted in the summer before 2nd year.
*note: that's for Ontario firms. I don't know if the same is true for other centres like Calgary or Vancouver or the Maritimes...
*note: that's for Ontario firms. I don't know if the same is true for other centres like Calgary or Vancouver or the Maritimes...
Thank you
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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:53 PM
LawNerd, on 25 July 2011 - 05:43 PM, said:
Hey DoubleD,
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
Thank you for doing this. I have a ton of questions but these are the ones I can think of now.
- This final question might sound silly, but I need to know. Do many people use perfumes and scented products? Unfortunately, I am one of those odd people who show reaction to most chemicals in scented products and I get sick. And to anyone who is reading this post; please be easy on scented products. =)
I'm with you on the scented products. I have to carry around special migraine medications because I'm that sensitive to some of the chemicals.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 06:57 AM
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 08:54 PM
I'm definitely thinking of going into law school and I'm just starting my first year at ottawa U this week.
1) I'm taking a major in English, do you think it will benefit the fact that I'm going into law school? I heard you have to be a good writer
2) What kind of volunteer would I need to get into law school?
3) Is it true that right after law school, most people can't find jobs and are burdened with a huge amount of debt?
1) I'm taking a major in English, do you think it will benefit the fact that I'm going into law school? I heard you have to be a good writer
2) What kind of volunteer would I need to get into law school?
3) Is it true that right after law school, most people can't find jobs and are burdened with a huge amount of debt?
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Posted 04 September 2011 - 07:09 AM
Sakura, on 03 September 2011 - 08:54 PM, said:
I'm definitely thinking of going into law school and I'm just starting my first year at ottawa U this week.
1) I'm taking a major in English, do you think it will benefit the fact that I'm going into law school? I heard you have to be a good writer
2) What kind of volunteer would I need to get into law school?
3) Is it true that right after law school, most people can't find jobs and are burdened with a huge amount of debt?
1) I'm taking a major in English, do you think it will benefit the fact that I'm going into law school? I heard you have to be a good writer
2) What kind of volunteer would I need to get into law school?
3) Is it true that right after law school, most people can't find jobs and are burdened with a huge amount of debt?
1) The English major may assist with your writing abilities, which is important both in law school and in practice. However, I imagine this for most "arts" degrees.
2) no volunteer work is necessary. This is not to suggest you shouldn't do volunteer work - in fact, I think it would be of assistance... But certainly not necessary.
3) Yes and no, like most sectors. Personally speaking, most of my friends and I have articling lined up for the coming year (for Toronto). Of course, there will be those who have a difficult time finding any positions -- based primarily on marks and location alone. However, if you wish to be a lawyer, my suggestion is to not let the "lack of jobs" talk overwhelm everything else. Study hard, enjoy your time at school, make your connections, and you'll be fine in the long run.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 02:09 PM
Did any students that you know of get accepted with an LSAT below 150?
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:17 PM
xzy, on 11 November 2011 - 02:09 PM, said:
Did any students that you know of get accepted with an LSAT below 150?
i know of a few students that recvd acceptance (and some are attending Uottawa) with a sub 150 LSAT.
That being said, i would state that these individuals had pretty high grades, more than just an undergraduate degree and excellent work experience. Am assuming that they probably had a stellar PS.
Basically, i can state that it is possible to get accepted but you need to make sure that everything else is stellar.
Trust this helps.
