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  1. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Where did I say anything about "private financial well-being of law school graduates"? You need to read posts more carefully.
  2. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    4.2 compels them to act according to the principles of protecting the public interest, which is fairly clearly undermined by having a saturation of debt-saddled underemployable graduates. That was a pretty easy find. And you've yet to advance any argument on how this is served by opening yet another piece of floodgate.
  3. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Those choices should be informed. Let's not pretend that the average person, even the average applicant thinks that the result of going to law school is a 75% chance of even getting into professional training which will, if everything goes to plan, allow them the chance to become a lawyer. Unfortunately, so long as there's a regulator, they are given the false impression that somebody is looking out for that. Even no approval needed at all would arguably be better than the current setup, which gives the false impression somebody's keeping an eye on this. I'd have a lot more time for your caveat emptor view if tuition costs, and therefore the consequences of the glut, weren't so high - Ryerson intending to start at $20k and go up. At least if debt levels weren't so high, there'd be an argument that more lawyers just leads to a marketplace, where people charge less, general society benefit from access to justice. Unfortunately, at the sky high debt levels so many graduates now have, they simply can't afford to do that, which just means everyone suffers, with lawyers who can't cover their debts, and potential clients who can't afford the lawyers. (I'm even leaving aside the lack of articling positions, considering Ontarians have the LPP). Again, go back to regulation, where with none, somebody would probably come along to provide a more affordable option, and applicants could decide if that was worth it against quality of education. If the Law Societies want to be regulators, they should actually regulate. Otherwise, they should stop pretending they are. There is something of a backstop in the Provincial ministries of education which can also reduce the swelling if they so choose at government-funded schools, although that isn't necessarily enough considering private universities.
  4. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    No, nobody's forced to. But if there's a known problem of too many graduates in the legal community and at the same time, this problem is unknown in the general community (ie law school applicants, and family members encouraging it as a good investment/socially prestigious job/all round positive thing), perhaps the people who know there's a problem have some kind of obligation to (1) shout loudly about it and (2) not exacerbate it by constantly opening new schools, and increasing class sizes at existing ones, all of which merely contributes to naive and impressionable peoples' views that there isn't a problem?
  5. best way to study for an LSAT

    'The best way' is the way that works for you, which will vary according to things like time available, starting point, learning style, etc. Personally, the method I found most useful was reviewing sections after grading them. Every question has one right answer and four wrong ones - writing out by hand why each of the options was in one of those categories forces the mental processes.
  6. Elite Extracurriculars

    You're not the first one to say it, but do people seriously consider squash 'elite'?
  7. Elite Extracurriculars

    So basically the same as my initial point (that speaking languages you're not connected to is impressive, but speaking languages you're expected to due to your background is not)?
  8. Elite Extracurriculars

    I'm apparently so dumb that I can't see the difference in what we're saying (beyond swapping the location of origin).
  9. Elite Extracurriculars

    If you're a from a European-Canadian background, being fluent in French, Italian and Russian suggests that you're incredibly smart and cultured. If you're an Iranian immigrant, you're expected to speak both English and Farsi. Listening might mean you can talk to other people who listen. It won't impress anyone like playing does.
  10. No co-sign, no hope?

    Well, sure - you need to pay tuition, and books, and fees, you need to pay for rent and food for the year - if you don't have any resources to rely on, and can't qualify for a loan, and working income doesn't cover it - yes, it's possible that you can't afford it. It's unfortunate, and doesn't seem common, but is entirely possible. OSAP maximum is $14k if you're deemed by yourself, $20k if your partner is married/common law. If they work full time even at minimum wage that would add another 20k to your income, you could work 1/4 time for another 5k, and then bursaries etc on top. This might not be enough, depending where you're going to school. If your partner can't work (or can't work full time), that income reduces substantially. Frankly, a lot of it comes down to your cost of attendance: how much are your fees, and how far can you reduce them through need-based aid? My total cost of attendance at full price at a prairie school is only about 15% more than a single year at the two Toronto schools, and most people get some kind of need-based aid here, making the overall total cheaper than a single year at some schools. If you want to go to a cheap school with generous bursaries, you're in a very different situation from if you want to go to an expensive one with no discounts. It's often said here that you should go to school asap because your earning potential is so much higher on the other side, but if you can't afford to even get in, then a year of working first to reduce debt/build savings followed by applying to cheaper schools may be your only option, depending on a large range of things about your financial situation.
  11. There are a very limited number of people on this board who have done an England & Wales (or Scotland) LLB. It is generally considered a last-chance option, with an extremely high dollar cost to do, and a difficult and uncertain road to come back. You would certainly need to take NCA exams, or do additional studies at a Canadian law school, and would still need to find an articling position, competing against Canadian graduates. Petty observation because whichever country you study in, precise language matters: "their LLB" is correct, "over their" is not (over there).
  12. Chances with low LSAT score in Canada

    OK, to be clear, since you didn't restate, the following is based on your precise claim, that the last post was the typo. So assuming your stats are the earlier stated 160/3.7: Based on stats, you certainly have a chance at getting into Canadian schools. The exact chances will depend on things like how your 3.7 breaks down - if you were better at the end than the beginning, if you had a particularly bad year at any point, etc (some schools take your best credits wherever they were, others focus on the overall number, others care about the last 2 or 3 but not the early ones). The scale also matters (eg if your school and 3.7 are on a 4.0 scale, 4.3 or 4.5 - different ones will calculate differently). In the alternative, if the last post prior to this thread was the typo, you should resit the LSAT, because relatively few people can get into a Canadian school with a 150, and a 3.7, while solid, isn't likely to be spectacular enough to confidently predict an in anywhere. Edit for: All of those comments are on stats-based, if you apply/ied access then nobody can really give you any assurances at all, as there is far less firm data available.
  13. My story and questions on intelligence and the practice of law

    The searches look pretty much identical... This might be a time to remind Peterson that internet searches take into account your own past history, so if he didn't do this in incognito mode on his browser, logged out of his account, results could have been tailored for him.
  14. My story and questions on intelligence and the practice of law

    You probably do need a certain intelligence to succeed. By getting As in your recent education, and getting a top 20% LSAT score, you're demonstrating that you possess that. Even if you are at the bottom of your law school class (which is itself statistically unlikely), that's still drawn from a smart group of people, of which you'll be a part, and (assuming that bottom doesn't equal fail, which is extremely rare) you'll still be qualified to get a job.
  15. Living with parents during law school?

    OP, if you're miserable at home, and feel that you have a detrimentally long commute, and feel you have to study late because you can't at school - moving out, by yourself, with roommates, with your partner is probably a good idea. Staying home if it allows you to save a lot of money can be a fantastic thing, but that assumes that you're happy, or at least content there. If you're miserable, your studies are likely to suffer, and your personal life alike. Yes, moving out might cost you 10-15-20k a year, but you're not getting nothing in response for that outlay.