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  1. You should post what books you have here. I have my old textbooks and still use them from time to time as a starting point for research. When I was in school, I bought a book that was one edition out of date (I think it was a corporate law text) for $8. Still have that book, and use it from time to time (despite the fact that it's about 12 years old at this point). Most of the basic principles are still accurately covered. You might not get the discussion of cases that have happened in the last decade, but the majority of law is from before then anyways. I even had profs who assigned out of date texts, and then just pointed out where the texts were wrong. Anyways, not convinced these books should just be used as kindling.
  2. If the large firms use a central HRIS, they will easily be able to identify applications from an individual to more than one office. I thought Vancouver recruitment was during the same week as Toronto, but I may be wrong. If it is during the same week, that should make your decision about where to apply clearer. In terms of whether you should apply at only one office, I would suggest that applications to multiple offices could only have a neutral or negative effect. You'd probably be best off applying to more firms rather than more offices in terms of increasing your probability of finding a job. Blakes in Vancouver and Blakes in Toronto are probably seeking a similar type of associate, and if you don't fit that mold, your second application is taking away time you could be spending applying to a firm that is more well-suited to your personality/work style, etc.
  3. I am inspired by the recent thread about DivorceMate alternatives. Wondering if anyone is familiar with any alternatives to Do Process' Conveyancer software.Open to any suggestions - except doing it by hand!
  4. Do you have a science/engineering background? If not, IP will probably be tough to break into, regardless of what additional work you do. Check out Smart & Biggar's associates, as an example. Most have an advanced degree in science. For in-house, the pre-requisite is often previous corp/commercial experience at a large firm. Again, coursework probably won't help much. I'd say try to find a job with a senior sole practitioner doing corporate work and see if you can parlay that into an in-house gig in 3-5 years.
  5. They really don't want to fail you, and the standard for competence in CPLED is not all that high. There is an appeals process in the event you do fail. As MP says, just relax. There's nothing you can do about it at this point anyways.
  6. I agree with upaboveit715, and would add that law school is not really any more onerous than undergrad if you take a close look. In both undergrad and law school, you are expected to attend 15-20 hours of classes, most of which end by 4PM. Most undergraduates who are interested in law school are involved in at least one or two extracurricular activities during undergrad, most of which aren't any less time consuming than those that you participate in during law school. Every day, you have several hours of breaks while at school, during which you can get involved with extracurriculars or finish readings to free up your time for later. If you consistently focused on law school-related things from 8:00-4:00 Monday-Friday, you would rarely need to do any schoolwork in the evenings or on the weekends. During law school, you generally don't have any assignments (or at least not as many as in undergrad), which adds flexibility to your schedule, since your only hard deadline is your final exam. If you are in a Western province, I'd also mention that when you start articling, you will be working more than a full-time schedule, while still attending classes and completing assignments. In fact, I'd suggest that the difference between undergrad and law school is much less than the difference between law school and articling, at least in terms of workload and learning curve. If working in 1L is as detrimental as many lawyers seem to suggest, I question how those same lawyers have been successful in practice.
  7. Had I known how involved law clerks are prior to attending law school, and considered how much responsibility lawyers have to take on, I would have seriously considered becoming a law clerk after finishing my bachelor's degree. After finishing my law degree, no one believed I would be satisfied being a law clerk, even though, as you note, it is much more of a 'lifestyle' job than being a lawyer.
  8. From my commerce degree, the only important thing to law I learned was accounting, particularly reading financial statements and understanding the principles behind their preparation. The CBA and provincial legal education societies offer courses on how to read financial statements - I am not sure if the courses are any good, but they're out there, and articling students get a great deal on PD. It would be worth a try.
  9. Letter grades. B=3.0 B+=3.5, and so on.
  10. As I recall, midterms do not matter at U of M, no matter what the "weighting" is in the syllabus. There are plenty of students who bomb midterms and come out with As, and with the relatively strict curve at U of M, that probably means it's possible to get all As on midterms and end up with Bs as final grades. Write good finals, and you might hit deans list. If you don't, you'll probably still have a pretty good grip of fhe foundations of law. The scholarship/bursary, and recognition might be nice, but do try to keep in mind the big picture.
  11. I think an important point to add is that once you finish law school, you don't stop learning law. If I re-wrote my Contracts exam today, I'd be pretty disappointed if I didn't get an A+, despite the fact that at the time I actually wrote the exam, a B+ felt pretty good. One thing that I've noticed since finishing law school is that seeing the practical application of the academic side of law has helped me to understand the academics. In other words, even if academics is the driver of performance as a litigator (and I think Uriel has accurately shown the many ways in which it is not) and you did poorly in one class or in all of law school, all is not lost.
  12. Perhaps the AI Government will socialize everything. 100 years is a long time... Or maybe The AI is already here, and it orchestrated the Trudeau and Trump elections, in an effort to replace the western democracy. Or not.
  13. The real reason that it might not make sense to go to law school, if AI is going to be as big as some suggest, is that humans won't be doing too much for themselves, so won't be causing one another harm as often. So, demand for lawyers, if AI actually takes over for everything other than law and personal services, might be significantly reduced. In addition, lawyers might be the last humans left working if your hypothesis is true. So, law might not be worth it in that your non-lawyer peers might live a life of leisure, where the AI does everything, while you are stuck in an office, lawyering. edit: when I say "your hypothesis" I was referring to Coolname. The rest was referring to the original question.
  14. You're picking examples at the extremes. If someone said, at the end of 2L, "I know for sure I don't want to do family law, criminal law, or IP law, but I'd be up for pretty much anything else", that would leave pretty much every full service, and a lot of boutique firms. So what is one to do? Tell the boutique litigation firm, where the student would be happy to work, that, in fact, the student isn't really sure that litigation is what they want to do? I think not. I think you tell the litigation firm that you are interested in litigation. You do some research and figure out what cases they've worked on, so that you can talk (probably ineptly) about what they do. I am not convinced that is lying, per se. But, you are right, the student might hate their life as a lawyer. And that might happen at any firm. In fact, I think a lot of lawyers end up hating their job, unfortunately. In addition, even if someone wants to work at Probono Canada or some other similarly altruistic organization, it does not mean that they would necessarily hate work at a full service firm, nor that they would have to lie their way through an interview. Large firms hire a lot of students, in an organized process. Those firms, for the most part, seem to do a decent job of training lawyers. Without finding an articling position, it is not possible to be a lawyer. If you're not a lawyer, you're not going to get that same job at ProBono, or wherever. So, I find it hard to blame students, some of whom may not have any idea what kind of law they want to do, for tailoring an application to a firm that they're only half-sold on, or indifferent about.