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  1. Salut, Quand j'étais à l'UdeM en Droit (il y a maintenant quand même quelques années de ça) j'avais suivi ce parcours (et j'étais probablement le premier à le faire). J'ai été admis au MBA à HEC durant ma deuxième année en droit, quoique je l'ai repoussé d'une année afin de faire mon J.D. en 3e année (et donc ai finalement fait le MBA en "4e" année - après mon Bac en Droit). C'est vraiment un processus séparé, ou du moins ça l'était dans mon temps. Tu appliques simplement au MBA à HEC en deuxième année de droit (pour être admis au MBA qui débuterait durant ta troisième année) et si tu réussis, la Fac de Droit va te créditer ta 3e année (comme pour le LL.B./J.D.). Il faut toutefois être conscient des critères pour être admis au MBA à HEC (ex: GMAT, expérience de travail, etc.). N'hésites pas si tu as des questions. A+
  2. U de M - Extra curricular activities

    I definitely encourage you to get involved, since it will offer you a greater university experience in general, without mentioning the benefits to your academic, professional and social growth. As to what to get involved in, that's pretty easy, find things that interest you (be it within law school or in the wider context of university or even beyond that). If it's sports, do something relating to sports. If it's arts, go in that direction. If you're really passionate about law, do something law-related. You like video games or books? Get involved in those fields. UdeM can be a really great experience if you strike a balance in your academic, professional and personal life. Get involved, be social and work hard. But most of all, enjoy!
  3. how-to guides for civil law students

    Any logic book is good, but you really don't need to read anything before going to law school. Enjoy your summer You'll have more than enough reading once you start. Cheers,
  4. You don't necessarily have to re-write the bar every time you switch provinces, especially if it's between Common Law jurisdictions. There are equivalency programs and transition agreements between many provinces. I definitely wouldn't underestimate what a good network can bring. Brains and perseverance are of course necessities. In either case, I wasn't necessarily purporting to study in Ontario for the networking, but rather for the added chances of being hired post-graduation. It's already very difficult in Toronto to find an articling position, and subsequent associate position (especially in certain practice areas). I can only imagine that this would be exponentially so with a civil degree and a tacked on J.D. There are definitely considerations to be explored. Time and money versus opportunity cost and chances of landing the job you want. Your best bet is always McGill, as their out-of-province placement is unmatched in Quebec. Otherwise, going the UdeM route and tacking on a 1-year Osgoode degree can be a decent option, but be aware that it is quite difficult to be accepted to the exchange program with Osgoode (and other Common Law universities as well). Ottawa is also a decent option with their joint program; they are well recognized as a Common Law faculty. All-in-all, it's definitely doable, but far from being the most mainstream route. Prepare to jump quite a few hurdles and be swimming upstream. It's very rare that someone who wants to work in a Common Law jurisdiction would primarily pursue a civil law degree (and McGill doesn't count in this instance, as I consider them to be primarily a Common Law school). All the best!
  5. GENERAL HELP PLZ [application stage]

    Below is a recent "Accepted" thread regarding Ottawa in the civil law forum, it may give you an idea of who is being accepted/rejected/waitlisted. Another thread I'm linking to is with respect to minimum GPA and admission requirements. Take some time to browse and/or search the forums and you should get some pretty decent insight.
  6. Hey! Glad I could be of some help. Here are my attempts at answering your questions: 1. Is the "bad" reputation of UQAM deserved? In short, no. UQAM is a good school and you can come out of it successfully in pretty much all areas of law. The "bad" reputation it may have with some people is mostly due to the fact that it caters (and so attracts) more "socially-inclined" students. There are very few students from UQAM that even attempt the Course aux stages, because corporate law and "Big Law" aren't necessarily paths that interest most students who decide to go to UQAM. This number is however growing steadily I believe. Larger firms, in the past, have therefore not put much time and effort into visibility at UQAM and in attracting their students specifically. There are a lot less events organized by these firms at UQAM and for UQAM as compared to say UdeM and McGill. Even though UQAM remains "lower" in a lot of people's minds on the "hierarchy chart", I think it's slowly moving its way up. I see more students every year from UQAM doing the Course and more of these students being hired or being offered jobs at large firms. This is however anecdotal, as I don't have much of a sample size to go on. All-in-all, it's a good school and it will offer you the opportunities you want, just be aware that you may need to jump a few extra invisible hurdles at times when compared to other schools. 2. I heard UdeM boosts your gpa based on the program you're applying from is this true? If so, how much of a "bonus", if any, would history get? Most schools will take into account what degree you've studied in in order to evaluate your GPA in comparison to other candidates. I can't really tell you if there is an "official" GPA boosting process at UdeM however, nor can I speculate what that would be for a History major. I've also heard that they tend to be somewhat favourable towards UdeM alumni, but again, this is anecdotal. You can always ask admissions directly and see if they give you a straight answer. Or else, you can browse some accepted and/or admissions threads on this board and maybe the topic has been discussed at some length. I wouldn't however worry about things that are beyond your control. Do your best in whatever degree interests you, apply and hope for the best. 3. My interest is in criminal law, would UQAM or UdeM be a better choice for this path? I believe both schools will offer you opportunities in this field. I'm unfortunately not all that knowledgeable with respect to the criminal law field, or the way they go about recruitment. UdeM and McGill are definitely at the top of their class in Quebec (and McGill even more so Canada-wide and beyond), but I'm sure if you get good grades, get involved, build a network, etc. at UQAM, that you'll have the opportunities you're looking for. I don't have any statistics to base myself on with respect to criminal law hires. 4. I know you don't know too much on admissions, but based on what you know, does a 3.49 gpa have a bad, ok or good chance of getting into UdeM or UQAM? My admissions knowledge and experience is unfortunately dated, as my law school applications are a good 6-7 years behind me at this point. I believe a 3.49 is a decent GPA for law school admissions. As an example, I was admitted to UdeM from a B.Com. at Concordia with a 3.3-3.4 GPA (if I recall correctly). However, keeping a bit of track with the admissions threads in recent years, it seems as though it may be getting more competitive, and thus more difficult, to get accepted these days. Your best bet is to browse the recent admission threads on this board to get a sense of the stats that are being accepted, rejected and waitlisted in recent admissions cycles. Again though, try not to stress about things you can't control. Apply and hope for the best! I hope that answers at least a few of your questions. Don't hesitate if you have any more! Cheers,
  7. UdeM Law vs McGill Management

    I completed a business degree at Concordia before going to law school at UdeM a few years ago now. It's far from required to have a bachelor degree in order to secure an articling position, and it's far from required to have a business bachelor if you plan on working in corporate law. There are pros and cons for either decision you take. A Bachelor gives you maturity, a better view with respect to career possibilities (who knows if after your degree you'll even still want to pursue a career in law), a larger network, some work experience (especially if you go the Co-op route), extra academic experience, and perhaps sets you apart somewhat with respect to other candidates. However, it does add 3 to 4 years to your career path (i.e., if you do a Bachelor before-hand, when you become a practicing lawyer - if you still choose to go that route - your opportunity cost means that you could have potentially been a 4th year lawyer at that time already - with 4 years worth of salary and work experience behind you) and it naturally is more financially taxing (you have to pay for an extra degree and live an extra 3-4 years without full-time pay). Overall, it's a personal decision. I've worked in corporate law in two large firms for the past few years now and you have just as many people without a Bachelor as you do with. And even those with a Bachelor, it wasn't necessarily in business. A business degree can be helpful in corporate law to a certain extent, but it's practical applications are pretty limited. In all honesty, the only practical use for it is understanding how to read financial statements and perhaps having a better understanding of working capital adjustments, and those two things (a) don't come up all THAT often, and (b) can somewhat easily be learned on the job. The intangible plus-side is that you will "speak" your clients' language and perhaps have an easier time understanding their business and point of view. All-in-all, I'm very happy to have done a Bachelor prior to my law degree, but again, it comes down to personal choice and preference. My degree permitted me to mature quite a bit and so prepared me for success in law school. I don't think I would have done very well straight out of CEGEP, especially if I take into account how I performed in my first two years at the B.Com... I was also in absolutely no rush to start working full-time. The added debt wasn't necessarily enjoyable, but for me was worth it. I very much enjoyed my time as a student (and even extended it past my law degree at UdeM). In sum: you don't NEED a Bachelor to attain your goals. Do some introspection and decide on what you think the more interesting, fulfilling and realistic path is for you as an individual. Cheers,
  8. It depends on the firm. I worked in Big Law in Montreal as a summer student and the firm where I was was pretty easy going with taking days off or leaving on vacation. I don't see any issue at all with missing a few days (or even a week) for a wedding. Just give them a heads up and make sure not to take mandates that will require you to be there around that time (and advise the lawyers/partners giving you work that you'll be away on those dates). And for god sake try not to work during those days! Cheers,
  9. 3.69 vs 3.70 GPA

    3.7 isn't a HARD cutoff... 3.69 isn't considered a B+ while 3.70 an A-. A 3.69 L2 is great. Keep up the good work and try to do well on the LSAT.
  10. UdeM, Bac + LLM ou JD

    Quelles options considères-tu? J'ai personellement complété le LL.B./J.D. à l'UdeM (il y a quelques années) et c'est loin de créer quelconque désavantage. Le seul désavantage potentiel d'un tel programme est que tu n'auras pas vraiment de choix de cours et que rendu au Barreau tu n'auras probablement pas pris certains cours que d'autres croient utiles pour le Barreau (ex: sûretés). Pour ce qui est de la Course aux stages, la majorité des étudiants la font en 2e année, ce qui précède le J.D. de toute façon, donc aucun désavantage à ce stade. De plus, avoir de l'expérience en common law est utile dans plusieurs domaines de droit. Les étudiants de McGill sortent avec les deux diplômes et crois moi sont LOIN d'être vu comme ayant un désavantage sur ce point sur le marché professionnel. Finalement, fais des recherches sur les diplômes conjoints. Quand j'ai complété le LL.B./J.D., j'ai pu recevoir un LL.M. en common law en complétant un projet dirigé de 60 pages par la suite. J'ai aussi fait le MBA à HEC par après. N'hésites pas si tu as d'autres questions! A+
  11. Étudiants de l'UdeM

    Typiquement durant la première année en droit à l'UdeM tu prends 5/6 cours par session. Tu peux voir un apperçu du cheminement ici: https://admission.umontreal.ca/programmes/baccalaureat-en-droit/structure-du-programme/
  12. Hey! It depends on what law school you've been accepted to. Many (most) offer a set course load in your first year. For instance, UdeM (at least when I studied there) was 5 courses per semester in the first year, and even a sixth at times (you can see the typical course load and path for UdeM here: https://admission.umontreal.ca/programmes/baccalaureat-en-droit/structure-du-programme/). I typically took five courses per semester and two in the summers since I wanted to fast-track the LL.B./J.D. degree. It's pretty common (probably the norm) to do 5 classes per semester. Cheers,
  13. You won't have a problem with the Ontario bar (or other bar). The hiring opportunities depend on your interests/goals. If you're looking at working on Bay or in Big Law, then you will most definitely be at a disadvantage with a tacked-on 1-year JD as opposed to having studied the full JD program. I wouldn't see why it would give you an advantage (or even keep you at par) at any other common law hiring either. As mentioned, I don't see much upside (if any) in the joint degree if you're looking at working in a common law province post-graduation. Tacking on a civil degree to a full JD would be another question, as it is with having the tacked on JD but working in Quebec. That being said, I don't want to paint an excessively negative picture either. You will definitely have a chance at being recruited and finding a job, it will just likely be that much more difficult (and it's no cake-walk even with a full-fledged JD in the first place). I have friends who have gone through the dual degree in the way you're proposing and that are now working in common law provinces, it's just definitely not the easiest of ways of going about it.
  14. Missing a Day of Classes in September

    Law school is like any other schooling, you can miss classes.
  15. I believe Victoria has a 1-year JD program which you could look into if you want to practice in BC, same for Ottawa and some other Ontario schools if you rather practice in Ontario. It's typically said/recommended to study where you want to work, but it doesn't mean that you can't study in one province and subsequently work in another. You do however need to be aware of how a civil law program with a 1-year tacked on JD looks to prospective employers vis-à-vis a candidate that has a "full" JD. Is there a reason you're doing the civil law program if you want to practice in Ontario/BC afterwards? Is it because you're straight out of CEGEP and/or you didn't get accepted to a JD program? Quite honestly, I wouldn't see the upside of completing a civil law degree if you plan on practicing in a common law jurisdiction...