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  1. Suits For Men

    Yeah, but the Lincoln Lawyer is also Matthew freakin' McConaughey... "The law says you cannot touch... but I think I see a lot of lawbreakers up in this house tonight."
  2. Suits For Men

    So then that's a no to Gucci deal sleds and Patagonia vests? How else will interviewers know I'm a hardo? (It's an investment banking meme, don't worry I won't actually show up in that).
  3. @thereleasestg Whoa. Chill. Breathe. If you read @sman99's comment, he didn't say that people who have brilliant L2/B2 but bad overall cGPAs don't deserve to get into law school. He said that they didn't deserve to be ahead (in admissions) when compared to someone with higher test scores/grades, ceteris paribus. Do you really think that someone with a 3.0 for their first two years and 4.0 for their last two deserves to be viewed equally as someone who had a 4.0 all four years? 6 out of 17 (non-French common-law) schools is hardly "most law schools in Canada". Granted, most schools give you some drops, which means they allow for a screw up here and there. Wait, so you're saying that summer jobs should only be given to people in 3L summer, i.e. the summer after you graduate? Why the heck won't you just get a full time position rather than a summer one? Why do you suggest everyone should twiddle their thumbs for a year after their 3L summer position, then article the summer after? If I'm misinterpreting your point and you mean the summer leading into 3L, isn't that the case now? Hmmm... Given the timing of recruiting, wouldn't 1L grades be the only thing they can evaluate your application on (in terms of academic performance)? Wait, but if students are killing themselves and still get their first year grades over the curve, doesn't that mean they are already learning to excel in law school? Why spread this "learning to excel in law school" over two or three years when, in the current-day scenario you describe, they're doing it in one? But you WERE evaluated on your first and second year grades (you're currently at Oz, meaning you applied after they changed the admissions B2 rule, right?) - it's just that you had a compelling enough application (including a very strong upward trend) to overcome that. Sure, you might not "deserve" to be flipping burgers at A&W, but you don't necessarily "deserve" to be at law school or land a good job either - and even if you've done everything right, got high grades, networked, built up your experiences, "deserved" it in some sense of the word, things sometimes don't fall into place. Oftentimes, the people who are most "deserving" don't get it, and vice versa. You do everything in your power to make the odds in your favour, but the world doesn't owe you anything. Inb4 one of those reality-check speeches from Diplock or maximumbob or providence.
  4. Ask a 3L!

    Huh. While I knew law school tends to be more geared towards the upper class, I had no idea it was to the extent that having parents who make the Canadian median household income would put you at the bottom 20% at UofT (assuming the 50k-100k portion is evenly distributed). Colour me naive...
  5. Accepted at McGill 2018

    Hey! A few people PM'd me about it earlier, so this was my reply: The French interview was pretty simple - about 15-20 minutes in length, it was around 8-10 questions, and the interviewer on the other side of the phone spoke with a slight Quebecois accent at a conversational pace (although that might have been because she figured my French comprehension was pretty good at the beginning). I wouldn't say particularly fast, but not as slow/articulate as a French prof would speak in an intermediate class. There was one question that I asked her to repeat, and she slowed down the second time. You're allowed to answer in either English or French, I answered a third of the questions in French and the rest in English. I know friends who answered exclusively in English and they're at McGill Law now. The questions were the standard ones that people have posted on this forum before. How often do you speak French and how comfortable are you in conversation? Where did you learn French? Describe the last academic text you read in French and what it was about. Qu'est ce qui vous motive à etudier le droit à McGill? There were a few more but that's what I remember off the top of my head.
  6. Accepted at McGill 2018

    I saw your post on the Osgoode Accepted thread and was going to respond, but @Prospero beat me to it. But I get to respond here! I think it's the same case as the Ontario schools - McGill only starts assessing all their applications after the deadline dates and there's no advantage or disadvantage regarding when the application is submitted so long as it's before the Nov 8 deadline. I submitted my application a day before the deadline date and my references submitted their letters on the deadline date - I was called for an interview late Jan and accepted shortly after. I actually didn't even submit my study abroad transcript until a week after the deadline (totally missed the checklist, oops!) Good luck!
  7. Law School Chances - What should I do?? Help

    This argument presumes without justification that the French civil law school students who did not take the LSAT and did well in law school would have done poorly on the LSAT. This argument improperly infers that the argument for the LSAT being a good predictor for law school success is equal to the argument that the LSAT should be the only predictor for law school success. No one is arguing that admissions should ONLY be based on the LSAT. Even if the LSAT isn't a perfect predictor for law school success, at least it's helping me break down your points
  8. Law School Chances - What should I do?? Help

    Gotta salute the truth, when the prophet say. Also, super side note but I just realized the sunglasses emoji is ": uriel :" hahaha
  9. Law School Chances - What should I do?? Help

    Last thing to note – you say you want to change the way the system of law school admissions work. While I, and many others, may disagree with your ideas, here’s a tip: you can’t change a system by only working outside of it. You have to fight your way within it. Everyone talks about Martin Luther King Jr.’s civil disobedience, but hardly anyone ever hears the stories of the lawyers who fought within the legal and legislative systems that brought forth the civil rights change. If it weren’t for Donald Hollowell, MLK would not have ever seen the light of day after his arrests. (Check out the podcast Revisionist History’s episodes “State v Johnson” and “Mr. Hollowell Didn’t Like That” if you want a fantastic look at this!). Good luck! Even if some of the comments sound harsh, it’s because we’re all rooting for you.
  10. Law School Chances - What should I do?? Help

    @saraeliz - This discussion has come up time and time again, but I really think your naivety is showing through here. I don’t necessarily blame you because to sit down and be humble is a tough lesson to learn. You go through these law forums everyday and think that candidates are getting in only because of their stats? Firstly, that’s because the main basis for 90% of the applicants who apply through the Regular (non-Access/non-Mature) route are mostly (but not completely) based on their GPAs and LSATs, as that’s the biggest predictor of law school success and provides a relatively objective measure of comparison. Secondly, because of point 1) and this being an online forum where anonymity is valued, people tend to post only their stats on the Accepted threads and not their personal life stories. This does NOT mean that these people live perfect, silver-spooned lives. Everyone’s fought their battles and everyone has their demons. That 173 kid might have been raised by a low-income single parent; that 3.98 GPA student might have grown up in a violent neighbourhood; you don’t know what you don’t know about other people’s lives so to judge people in the way you do is a terrible approach and will frankly make you a pretty unhappy person. The point is, law school admissions and life in general is NOT a race to the bottom of how terrible our pasts have been but rather a race to the top of how we've dealt with it. You may think you’re an A student, but you haven’t proven so (and 1 semester of straight As isn’t consistent evidence); a 3.1 cGPA and a 3.57 L2 does not show that you are. You may be an incredible logical analyst but a 148 LSAT does not show that you are. The good news is that’s where the bad news ends – as everyone else has mentioned, if you manage to score near your PT range for the LSAT, we’re all nearly certain you’ll be in law school in the coming years. You have a strong passion and a powerful story to tell; not enough to overcome your current stats, but they will probably give you a slight boost if you bring your stats into a competitive range. I think I might be an example – there are plenty of people who were waitlisted and rejected this year at UofT with far superior stats to me but I’d like to believe that my softs and a compelling PS is what got me in first round (even though everyone says that). Nonetheless, my stats needed to be relatively competitive to begin with.
  11. Just got accepted off the waitlist! If you're index score is around 91.55, keep your eye out for an offer coming your way.
  12. Just got my offer email (and update on the tracker)! I called a few days ago and was told that I was waitlisted but I was "very high up". Offer response deadline of April 12th. Confirmed GPA (after drops): 82.6% (3.71 CGPA without drops on the OLSAS system) LSAT: 165 Self-calculated index score: 91.55 I'll likely be withdrawing my offer but I'm slightly hesitant by my desire to completely up-end my life and move to the West coast. If you're index is around 91.55 and you're on the waitlist, keep an eye out for a potential offer coming your way! Good luck to everyone - hopefully I'll be seeing you at moots and the legal field in the future.
  13. Waitlisted at U of T 2018

    Completely agree with you - confirmation bias is the phrase I think you're looking for. I mean even if you look at the discussions elsewhere on this forum (*ahem* Off-Topic discussions), no one's likely to ever change their point of view and especially not on something as subjective as the value placed on attending one law school over another. I would be fine with it if it was in a UofT vs. Oz or some other school comparison thread that would have been re-iterated for the thousandth time. But Harvey came to both the Waitlist and Rejected threads for UofT to say, "Y'all some desperate people looking for prestige" and trying to show that UofT's NY placement numbers aren't that good anyway. It's an open forum - he's free to say that just as everyone else is free to criticize him for it, but I'm all for getting this thread back on the rails - let's use it to get Waitlist data points, information regarding next steps, and questions related to that.
  14. Waitlisted at U of T 2018

    Did you come to the UofT Waitlist and Rejected threads just to paint everyone who wants to attend UofT with the broad brush that they're "pointlessly" taking on debt for prestige? Might as well do it in the Accepted thread too and make it 3/3. There are tons of reasons why someone would want to attend UofT over some other school rather than "prestige" - location, career opportunities, clinics, professors, school atmosphere, close friends going there... list goes on. You chose Osgoode (2017-2018 tuition at $26k) over Queen's/Western/Ottawa (tuition at $19k/$22k/$18k) which you admit all of which can place you on Bay if you try hard enough. If everything is just a "choose the cheapest option", then why'd you choose Osgoode to take on "pointless" debt? Also, UofT has the most generous financial aid program out of any of the Ontario schools. For example, Ottawa's bursary program for law students if you're eligible is Year 1: $2,000, Year 2&3: $1,500. UofT Law's bursary program, which was given out to 50% of all students, averages $10,900 per student per year for 2017-2018. If you qualify for financial aid, UofT also pays a portion (if not all) your interest on the PSLOC while in school. If you graduate and make less than $60k a year, UofT covers a significant portion of your debt through their PDRP (which is on a sliding scale as your salary goes up). Don't get me wrong, there are people who only consider prestige and choose a school based on that. But I think it's pretty frivolous to come to the UofT threads and think anyone who wants to attend UofT is only doing it for prestige. If you came and said "Hey look, it's not that bad that you got waitlisted/rejected, at least you won't be paying all that debt!" in good humour, that's fine. But unless I (and many others) have misinterpreted your comments, you didn't - you came and said "Look at all these fools thinking a degree from UofT Law is worth the price."
  15. Taking a Year Off to Apply

    Haha, please take those Welcome Day numbers with a grain of salt. This was just me estimating based on the number of hands up when the Dean asked how many people are currently finishing their fourth year vs. those who are currently working. 😝 I think I understand a little more clearly the position you're in. Would your stats significantly change if you waited a cycle (such as B3 GPA being much higher, retaking LSAT for 3+ point increase)? Keep in mind the medians for last year was 3.8 B3 and 166 LSAT. If you're applying with the same stats and you didn't get in this year, you'll unlikely get in next year so waiting a year won't really help. In that case, I'd suggest taking up an offer at another school. If you think you could top the medians when reapplying and UofT really is your dream school, then it might be worth waiting a cycle. It might also be worth asking yourself why UofT is your dream and comparing it with the schools you have offers to. Is it due to the area of law you want to practice? School clinics/internships/opportunities? Atmosphere? Like you said, it's a risk you have to weigh out if you do decide to sit a year out and there's really no bad law school in Canada. Good luck with your decision and your incoming offers!