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  1. Bay Street Bonuses

    The same thing happens at my firm - only summer starts are eligible, while September starts do not get a bonus. The truth is that your first year-ish you are working hard on the basis of fear, not reward.
  2. Omnibus topic: when you are not hired back

    I have no idea. Debt, family, lottery winnings? I'm not sure. In any case, apply for EI ASAP, since it takes a while before they pay you. There is no single way to network. However, the primary ways would be as follows : - a connection through an external event (we met in university, our spin class, volunteering); - a connection at an event for networking (OBA, LSUC, Advocates society); - a warm-call (your friend, teacher, parent, client, former boss says "I will connect you with someone"); and - a cold-call (the terrifying process of calling someone you've never met and who has no time and asking to meet them for coffee to "learn about their practice"). I put those in order of ease. It is most natural when you meet through your outside activities, and least natural when you call them up. However, the list is also in order of luck-dependence. You might run into the perfect contact at your weekly running group, but you have minimal control over that. You have total control over whether you can cold call people. Personally, I would start by asking my network to help me reach out to people, then make a list and start calling. As for telling people... Sure. It sucks. But you need to take over this story, because you can't escape it. Hiding it won't change that, and no, you weren't fired. You got fantastic experience on your contract student position, but they didn't have capacity for another full time associate, so you're out looking with a smile on your face! You had such a great time, learned so much, and are passionate about JUSTICE/ADVOCACY/HUMAN RIGHTS/THE CONSTITUTION/MINING TRANSACTIONS!! You can talk the talk, walk the walk, and have rehearsed stories about your transferable skills!
  3. Omnibus topic: when you are not hired back

    Yes, and ask them to call their friends. Yes. Yes. Yes. Sometimes their websites, sometimes through recruiters. Sometimes through their websites, sometimes through public websites, sometimes through recruiters. Yes. Same way that non-law people and the people who didn't get a job through the recruits - calling, asking, applying, repeat. At any time, but spring and fall are generally good times. That depends on you - how much you network, how picky you are, and how good your application is (I saw people take 4 weeks, and others take 18 months. Most found one before the end of the year). The market is never kind to new calls - there are many of you, and your experience is limited - but the market is pretty hot right now, and people are hiring at all levels. Try hard - do the cold calling, tell your friends, colleagues, peers, teachers, school administration and total strangers that you're looking so that they can think of opportunities too. Lots of people don't get hired back, and the majority of those people get law jobs before the end of the year. Do the legwork, and keep an open mind.
  4. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    By way of update, most BigLaw firms seem to have followed the McCarthy's grid. In addition to the sisters, I've heard that BLG, Cassels, Norton Rose, Gowlings, and Miller Thomson all followed McCarthy's.
  5. Hours : Targets, Expectations and Consequences

    I'm actually interested in learning from anyone - the broader the better. Hours and expectations vary widely in work environment and practice areas, and I think that's valuable to have collected in a single place.
  6. Hi all, how much do you work? That's a broad question, so I will try to break it down. For private practice, I've always been told that you're doing alright if 2/3rds of the time you spend in the office is billable - so 12 hours in the office is 8 billed hours. I'm wondering, for associates: 1. What is your billable target? 2. Is the actual expectation for billable hours more or less than the target? 3. What happens if you do or don't hit target? 4. How many nonbillable hours do you do and does anyone care? 5. If there are particular circumstances that would change your answer from others in your peers, like BigLaw, practice area, or level of experience, can you tell us (without giving anything revealing away, obviously)? I don't even know what questions to ask for in house or government lawyers, but would be interested in hearing from you too! For my part, my BigLaw firm has a target of 1700 - and if I do not meet my target, I would not get a bonus, and the annual increase would be on the lower end of our grid. Firing might be imminent or resignation suggested if I was substantially below target. There is a target of 150 nonbillable hours, but no one seems to really care or emphasize them very much. No extenuating circumstances for me - I'm a midlevel associate at a Biglaw firm.
  7. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    Likely just out of date. Associates at Osler have told me that they followed McCarthy's.
  8. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    My understanding is that all of the sisters, plus BLG and Cassels, have followed McCarthy's.
  9. Omnibus topic: when you are not hired back

    I'll add my own optimistic nohireback story. I was not at one of the big firms, but rather at a boutique shop. Pretty early on, I got the feeling early on that hire back was unlikely. A discussion with some partners in the early spring raised my hopes, only to see them dashed later on. It took four weeks of job hunting after my articles were completed to receive an offer at a bay street firm. My story is the same as everyone elses, but I want to emphasize something : that obnoxious guy on LinkedIn who posts six times a day and says "your network is your networth" is actually right. (Not about posting six times a day. That's just narcissism.) The associate job I got was a result of 1) a junior associate at my articling firm hearing about it through a friend and 2) a strong verbal reference given by a partner at my articling firm. I shored my application up with a letter of reference from a professor from my law school. You can't really control hireback. There are too many factors outside of your control. What you can control is being as friendly, positive and likeable as possible. It's a little sociopathic, but your networking starts now and starts at every level. Your friends and teachers in law school. The lawyers you coldcall or contact through career services for mentorship (if you're not doing this, try doing it). Meeting and talking to strangers, being friendly and positive, smiling a lot, keeping in regular contact with people who are not part of your friend group - these things are hard. They take effort and time, but they will help increase the odds of you finding a job, should you need it. That job might be employment after articling, or it might be a file referred to you in five years time. People talk about building a "brand" because they love their buzzwords, but it's also true. A brand doesn't have to involve deals, cases, presentations, publications or thoughtful-LinkedIn blog posts. It can just mean being that friendly person who keeps in touch.
  10. Suits For Men

    It's perfectly appropriate at most firms. After navy and charcoal, brown/grey and light grey are quite common.
  11. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    The comparison is on page 4 of the thread. Its not radically higher, and sometimes not higher at all.
  12. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    I understand that all 3 have followed the Fasken raises.
  13. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    There are two Bay street scales - the Fasken scale (starts at 100) and the McCarthys scale (starts at 110). Most firms have followed the Fasken scale. Two notable exceptions are Davies and BJs.
  14. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    For those interested, Precedent published an article on the salary increases : http://lawandstyle.ca/law/on-the-record-bay-street-associates-get-their-first-pay-raise-in-a-decade/ While lacking the depth of the information in this thread, it is nice to see it making the rounds in the legal media. No mention of McCarthys one-up-manship. On that note - nalp indicates that all of the large Montreal firms are now paying $106,000 to their first years - ie, more than their Toronto peers. With cost of living in Toronto what it is, I guess it's time to start dusting off those old grade 9 French textbooks...
  15. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    Lots of lateral movement in the Spring after people get mad about bonuses/increases.
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