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  1. I think your problem is that you're making a lot of assumptions about me too, maybe because you're already primed to not like me. But I never said I would take articles and then move home. If I was offered articles and they wanted to offer me a job, of course I would take it. I could probably promise a firm 5-10 years of my life. But no, law isn't what I want to do for the rest of my life. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason I seem so against working in law now is because I spent three years of my life applying to articling job after articling job, never getting anywhere, so now I'm pretty sure that nobody would ever hire me? It's pretty demoralizing. It's not that I have no passion for the law, and don't want to be a lawyer. But A: I don't want the huge firm experience where I'm working until 2am and on weekends like my old roommate was, and B: at this point, I just feel like shit about the entire experience. God forbid I have other interests outside the law. You're like the firm that got hung up on the fact that I included creative writing as one of my interests.
  2. He didn't actually offer me articles; he told me that if I ended up in a firm nearby that didn't practice crim, then I could message him and he could let me help out in the office occasionally. He told me he doesn't take on articling students because he doesn't think that he can provide a well-rounded experience because he only practices one area. I have a close friend who summered with him two years in a row, but he wouldn't provide him with articles either. And no, my parents live in a relatively small town.
  3. Long-term, I would prefer to return to school and pursue library/information studies. The only two jobs I've ever had that I totally enjoyed were in that field. But it wasn't a passion I discovered until 3L, when I still thought I had a hope of articling, so I thought that I would find articles, maybe work as a law for a few years until I could save up enough for tuition and to be able to settled into a new city while studying. My other interests are film and writing, but I know there's no real work in that field, and history which I majored in (which goes with the library/information studies). I'm not really asking people to use their connections to find me a job, I'm just wondering really if I still have any chance of getting articles compared to people who are newly graduated; would people rather take someone who's been out of school a year? Because I personally don't think so, so I was wondering if anybody else had any experience with that. With so many new graduates coming every year, me still trying seems kind of like a pipe dream.
  4. Opinions on my massive debt...

    No offence, but I don't live in Atlantic Canada any longer, and my lack of articles has nothing to do with desire. So stop pretending you know me.
  5. I never took family law because the prof for it at my school was a disaster, but that position sounds fantastic. Thanks!
  6. Opinions on my massive debt...

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure social niceties is one of yours.
  7. Opinions on my massive debt...

    In terms of the world? Yeah. In terms of one person with no savings and no job prospects? It's a lot. But I'm sure you're right, thanks for the insight into my life and your stunning addition to the discussion.
  8. Opinions on my massive debt...

    I graduated in May, and have a total of $110k+ in debt now (undergrad + law school combined, plus just random credit card stuff; for context, I attended a cheap law school, and worked at least one job throughout; in my third year, I worked two, and went into law school with probably $40/$45k). One thing that really scared me when I was in 3L was talking to the career counsellor, and we talked about the line of work I was interested in, and she said (with no knowledge of my financial situation) that if I were someone with $100k+ in debt, it probably wouldn't work out that well for me. Before law school, I had also applied to my masters, and got in. Then I got into law school, and had to decide. I knew that if I did the masters, employment would be limited unless I also pursued a PhD, and I thought that law school would essentially guarantee me a job. I graduated in May, unable to find articles, and now work for minimum wage. The only upside is that I make so little that my student loan payments are zero, for six months at least. My best friend, who did find articles, also works for minimum wage, but she is in far, far less debt than I am, so isn't as worried about it. The thing is that even with a law degree, there's no guarantee you'll find a high-paying job. Or any job at all. It's good that you're considering it early, but honestly, I was making just as little before law school as I am now. But ultimately, law school is just a risk that you have to take. How much that risk is worth has to be up to you and your wife.
  9. Early on there was one solo practitioner who offered to let me do some crim, but that's all he practises so he doesn't take on actual articling students. Other than that, no, split articles never came up. There really aren't any lawyers local to where I am, it's a very small town. Almost all my grades were Bs, with a couple As and a couple Cs. I also didn't really have a close relationship with any profs; we had small classes, but I wasn't the type of student to go see them in their offices or anything like that. So, my biggest stumbling block was probably that I didn't really connect to any profs or any lawyers when I had the chance. Networking isn't my thing. But honestly, I don't see law as a long-term thing for me (unless I found the right job), and I think interviewers can tell (and I could tell that having mostly non-law related interests on my resume threw off some firms during OCIs). My best classes were admin, competition, legal history, and negotiations, though I'm actually most interested in torts, crim, IP, and human/civil rights law. If I could just be locked in an office all day doing the research, that's where I'd be happiest. I'd also probably prefer a non-firm environment, like government or in-house counsel, but my law school was very geared towards helping us find firm jobs and little else.
  10. I'm from Atlantic Canada, but am willing to work in any province for at least the articling period. But I can't afford the LPP (or the cost of living in Toronto). Relocation except back to my parents' house isn't possible right now. I'm currently working for minimum wage and living with friends rent free. My only real option is finding a position online and then saving every cent I make until the position starts to save up for rent.
  11. It depends on the position and what part of the province you're working in (like Dieppe vs Fredericton), but for the most part, I would say not that important. Bilingualism was only a requirement of one or two positions I can remember seeing, and only a couple more that strongly suggested it. Most of my friends who are articling in NB are not bilingual.
  12. I graduated in May, but was amongst a handful of the unlucky people in my class who couldn't find an articling position. The last interview I had was at the beginning of August. I've started looking at the possibility of articling for the 2018-2019 year, but it seems like a lot positions have been filled already, or there are positions available at smaller firms that aren't really accessible to me right now (I'm currently staying in a very small town that's hours away from the nearest city so it's not possible for me to put in a lot of legwork). Plus, having already graduated, I don't have as much access to my school's resources as I did when I was there. But, the biggest issue I think I'm facing is that firms are more likely to hire a new graduate as opposed to me. I feel like I've really missed my opportunity, which is just unbelievably frustrating (especially since my closest friends all found articles without much trouble and are now halfway through it and loving it). So, what do you guys think? Is there any genuine possibility of me finding articles, or should I just try to move on to something else (which at this point, financially, also seems like an impossibility, because there is another field that I'm interested in, but I can in no way afford to go back to school for it)?
  13. Am I the only complete failure here?

    Not me.
  14. Am I the only complete failure here?

    I'm with you, OP, except I just graduated this year. I haven't had an interview in over two months, despite all the applications I've sent out. The career services officer at my school is of zero help except repeatedly telling me to network. The law society of my province has been emailing practitioners here practically begging them to take on an articling student because the market has dried up and so many grads went without positions this year, but almost nothing has come from it. Your edit really speaks to me. I'm getting SO tired of my friends who've had positions since 1L at major firms telling me how it's just not my time yet and everything will work out fine. I find it really dismissive; I know they're trying to be supportive in their own way, but I feel like they're just not willing to acknowledge how hard this is for me and why I'm so unhappy. People need to stop with the platitudes. I genuinely regret getting a law degree. I got three very good friends out of the experience, and almost nothing else except debt.
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