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  1. My understanding is that it's still more or less just based on your index score. You can find the formula to calculate said score here and a calculator that will do it for you here. Edit: I should add that while your GPA is obviously quite good (be sure to convert it to the UBC scale) you should be very careful about what you "reasonably expect" to score on the LSAT. If that's not the result of a large number of practice tests properly timed, using bubble sheets, full test conditions, etc. you should not place much reliance on that thought until you replicate that kind of a setting. Even then lots of people perform much differently from what they expected on test day, myself included. Many people need to write a second time to get a score they're satisfied with. In fairness the odd person also ends up doing much better than they expected but based on what I've seen on this site and from speaking with my peers I'd guess they're in the minority.
  2. I've only completed first year so I really couldn't comment. I've never asked anyone about it so I don't even have second hand knowledge, sorry.
  3. I found having a printer at home to be of some utility.
  4. I'd say grades are fairly important but it also depends on what you want to do. If you wanna clerk or get a bay street job then grades are quite important. My firm is currently doing their articling hire and I know that there were grade cut offs in deciding who to interview and I believe their process is identical for 2L hiring. I've only finished 1L but I know that all my friends that got jobs during the 1L recruit had VERY good grades. All of my friends who have interviewed in New York were the same deal. That being said if you have no interest in big firms my understanding is that some areas of practice are much more about demonstrated interest and networking like criminal defence. I believe if you have any interest in taking over someone's small practice in a rural area or small town that'd be the deal, as well but I'm basing that solely on speaking about it with a family friend. As for averages, UofT is weird so I won't be able to provide much help given the lack of a real GPA system. I know that our surveys are extremely unreliable (I think someone mentioned that the average reported in the most recent one would require the school to give out substantially more Hs than are actually available). The administration told us that after first semester of 1L the average is two Ps and an H. So if we extrapolated that to second semester it'd be something like five Ps and two Hs or four Ps and three Hs. Anecdotally, I do know people who graduated with lower than average grades who are employed. I mean, the majority of law school graduates in Canada get jobs and by definition just under half of all grads have lower than average grades. I've never heard of anyone retaking classes to improve marks with the exception of failing a 1L class or some other required course. I don't know about getting 'released' from law school, either. I know that there are academic standing requirements but I've never actually heard of anyone being kicked out, that's likely pretty rare. I know after first semester a number of people didn't return, people have speculated that it had to do with them not being happy with their marks but who really knows.
  5. Just to add in I took at LEAST one summer school course every year of my undergrad and got in both the schools I applied to (UofT & UBC).
  6. You get what you put in. I was a science grad student in a past life and have publications, which I think was useful for a number of things (perhaps admissions perhaps not) in and of itself. However, I also had to train many undergrads going for their BSc and what I'll say is that generally, those who were only doing it as an EC didn't get much out of it. It was always exceedingly obvious who was there because they felt they needed to be to get into medical school in terms of performance and overall learning outcomes. Arrangements like that were not in anyone's best interests. Remember that it's not just a 'credential' for you but it's a use of taxpayer money, time from very busy people, etc. To answer your question more directly, if you are genuinely interested do it and it'll probably help. Maybe not directly in admissions but somewhere, at some point in your life because it helps you develop a different kind of analytical perspective if you work at it. If you're not genuinely interested in doing scientific research for itself, I have some classmates with BScs and no research experience.
  7. I think I did slacks and a blazer. Lots of suits abound but (mostly) without ties. There was a pretty broad range I recall several people I know now being in much more casual than business attire and I don't think anyone cared/commented/judged. Most people were just pretty excited to get to meet future classmates. If the program is like last year you will be seated for meals with an alumni lawyer, likely a fairly successful one, but the one I was seated with certainly wouldn't have cared.
  8. Honestly, UofT's last year seemed like a bit of a sales pitch largely directed at people who were uncertain. I had made up my mind and I didn't take much away from it besides meeting one lawyer I still have sporadic contact with. The food was alright? Much better than anything you'll be served once they have your sweet sweet tuition $$. Edit: To answer your first question, I'd say the VAST majority of people had no guest. One or two people brought their partner, I don't recall seeing any parents.
  9. Dunno what school you're at (I'm at UofT) but I was told by upper years that we typically get grades back towards the end of January just before 1L recruit applications are due.
  10. Is there any particular reason Columbia is the other choice? Just seems a bit odd to have selected those two... I'd also highly advise you to speak to some people practicing in a Big Law environment and make sure that's something that interests you because with a big debt load that may be something that is more of a requirement than an option for a while. If you decide that you're really passionate about doing death row appeals for a charity or something that's still probably going to be shitty pay whether you shelled out ~250K Canadian for Harvard or not. I did not rewrite my LSAT because for Canadian schools at least it's throwing away money to rewrite a 99th percentile to try and get a 99.8th or whatever percentile. While I can appreciate that it looms large for you right now since you haven't written yet try and keep it in perspective that test is a means to an end: admission to a school and possibly scholarship dollars. As long as you score well enough to get into a school you want there aren't really bonus points for getting the very best score you possibly can since no one is ever going to ask you about it again.
  11. You don't need to apologize to me, I just wanted to ensure you were aware of how you were coming off. Since you seem sincere I'll take a stab at a few of your questions. Everyone is correct for saying that your diagnostic scores vs the day of you have no idea of knowing until you do it. I was scoring pretty similarly to you on mine, and I ended up getting the bottom part of my window on the day of. Lots of people seem to take a few point hit and the odd person ends up doing substantially better or worse. Be honest with yourself with the timing and scoring of your diagnostics to avoid nasty surprises, lots of people fudge a bit and get bitten in the ass as a result. In terms of odds, you can find the average stats for Harvard (75/25 percentile LSATs were 175/170) and Yale (same as Harvard) online pretty easily and that should be an indicator that your odds are reasonably good if your score matches your diagnostics. Think hard about why you want to go to an American school because going somewhere like an Ivy may drastically limit your career options due to the amount of debt that can be associated with it and there is no guarantee you'll fall in love with a particularly lucrative practice area. If you really want to go to the US you could probably get decent scholarship money at another T14 that may give you more options for the decades that you'll spend practicing.
  12. Just wanted to point out the fact that whether intentional or not you're indirectly doing the exact same thing you accuse Eeee of by saying that a fairly large percentage of the posters on this board have an 'abysmal' LSAT score. As a general thing, you're going to miss out on a lot of great advice if you're going to screen the people that you listen to based on their GPA and/or LSAT with whatever arbitrary cut off you pick. Surprisingly, marks are not the sole indication of your, or anyone else's, value as a potential source of knowledge.
  13. Your odds of getting a Summer internship in Vancouver, like Hegdis said above, are not great. If you mean prior to law school that will be entirely a function of your own networking and schmoozing. At least in Ontario, such a thing is relatively rare. In the instances I am aware of it happening, it has been more of a personal relationship wherein there was a long-term interest taken by the firm in the person in question. It does not sound like that is the type of arrangement you have in mind. Finally, I don't think there is a lot of advice we can really offer you beyond that. But if your plan is to go and get literally one of the most expensive law degrees in the world for a common law jurisdiction (USA) with a plan to ultimately go back to a civil law jurisdiction (Korea), you may want to reach out to some people in the places you could ultimately see yourself working at and asking their advice. It sounds like an extremely expensive, time-consuming, and circuitous manner of doing things even without mixing in ultimately irrelevant Canadian legal experience to further muddle things up.
  14. I'm not gonna comment on everything that there is to comment here. I don't know what you mean by 'top US school' do you mean T14? If so I would say a 170 something and 3.9 cGPA would be competitive for some of them. I'm concerned that you're then talking about Vancouver internships, though. You'll be spending a very long time paying off that American tuition in the Vancouver market unless you get some serious scholarship dollars. If you think that UBC tuition (one of the much more reasonably priced law schools in the country, btw) is expensive then you should try looking at some of the top American schools... NYU sticker prices tuition, fees, and books is ~$84,000 Canadian (~61K USD) versus UBC tuition, fees, and books being ~$14,000 Canadian. So for, one year of tuition at a top American school you and a friend can get an entire UBC law degree each. In terms of language, I would say if your writing quality is similar to what is presented here it will hurt you. I imagine one of the few things the writing samples are actually used for (besides perhaps overt signs of sociopathy) are to get an idea of your ability to write. In the above post, you used some rather odd grammatical structures and completely neglected punctuation in several sentences.
  15. What you've described means different things to different people. Someone might be able to handle all of the above in 40 hours while another may need 70. If you feel like based on that you'll have a decent amount of time to prep then it's worth a shot. The majority of the time I was prepping for the LSAT I was probably doing about ~10 hours a week until the month leading up to the test where that probably increased a fair bit. The LSAT also comes very quick to some and others not so much so that will probably be a big deciding factor. You can start studying and try and write in June or later in the year if you don't feel ready, I suppose. You have a lot of time before you need to apply if you're just in 3rd year now.