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  1. 2018 2L Recruitment

    Blakes ITC (U of T)
  2. What are some good questions to ask during OCIs?

    I struggle with this too. You may find this PDF from YLS helpful, or at least thought provoking.
  3. Lawyers with accents

    I'm just suggesting that, in context, this isn't that weird. Lots of places have come to perceive British English is the correct, proper, educated way of speaking. Now, that is messed up. The reification of RP English is freighted with all kinds of bad classist assumptions, as you've pointed out. But if you see someone from an Asian background speaking with a British accent and then think to yourself 'What a fraud' you are adopting the least charitable explanation possible. It's possible they were just taught to speak English that way. It's also possible that, as it appears the OP's case, they've (to some extent) internalized the stereotypes associated with the British accent: it's sexy, and sophisticated, and whatever. And I don't think we should hold that against people, even if the stereotype is itself objectively bad. Again, this isn't to say the OP should force a British accent. I'm just trying to explain where I think he's coming from. I don't think he deserves the vitriol he is receiving. At the same time, OP, I hope this conversation has illustrated why forcing a British accent may not do you any favours...
  4. Lawyers with accents

    This is an aside, but: I think these comments regarding 'legitimate, native' British accents are slightly off base. There are lots of places, in Asia and elsewhere, where the English taught in schools (especially elite schools) is Received Pronunciation or 'BBC English.' This is isn't to say that the OP should continue to fake an accent. (I think he shouldn't.) But be careful of your own prejudices, here. There are lots of people with British accents who've never set foot in the UK.
  5. Lawyers with accents

    Yes, I know the UK accents well. Much of my family has a UK accent of some description. But I couldn’t fake it if I wanted to. I’d certainly sound worse than you if I tried. Listening to that last recording: I thought it sounded good. You stumble over some words: ‘prosecutorial’ and ‘Senator’ (think more ‘Senahter,’ less ‘Senaytor’) stood out. Your pacing was sometimes a bit a off, especially towards the end of the first paragraph—but that was a long, confusing, and poorly constructed sentence. I think this is mostly a case of practicing and getting more comfortable. I am personally sceptical that ‘forcing’ an accent will serve you well in the long run.
  6. Lawyers with accents

    I don’t think you sound bad—either with the British (I’d say East London?) accent, or your natural speaking voice. I think your problem, to the extent you have one (which is less than you think!), is cadence. You rush through parts of your sentences. I think the fake accent might sound clearer just because it slows you down. I’d try speaking naturally, but sloooowly and consistently.
  7. This whole debate is exhausting at this point, but I figure it’s worth pointing out: A lot of U of T students do go to New York. Well over 10% of the class, this year. Interest is relatively high among the students, and the success rate is correspondingly low—but it’s absolutely possible to get the same miserable NY big law job out of U of T as anyone in the Top 14, if you are a strong student. (It’s also worth factoring in the missing New York cohort when considering UV’s Bay Street numbers.)
  8. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    'Hire back' isn't really what matters, either. What students should care about is the post-articiling offer rate. (We could also get into 'cold offers' etc., but this all seems somewhat off topic.) EDIT: Maybe the hire back rate as reported by Precedent is the offer rate. A little unclear to me. Will stop now.
  9. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    There's a whole magazine (only half joking) dedicated to publishing these numbers!
  10. 2017 Associate Salary Bump (Toronto)

    This seems like bait, but I'll bite. For the vast majority of people who want to practice law, Canada is the only option. Even then, lots (most?) people would rather article than drop everything to become a New Yorker. But, more constructively, if any part of the first-year raise is because Bay Street is feeling pressure from New York, Toronto firms should also revisit their hire-back policies. I suspect a big draw for indebted risk-averse law students is New York's near-100% offer rate. It is crazy to ask students to roll the dice twice: first to get an articling position, and then again to get hired on. (New York's perceived relative friendliness towards clerking also seems very popular.) Not original observations, I know. Anyway, glad to see this is happening.
  11. How much does it matter where you go to school?

    I'm kind of confused by the OP's question. All Canadian schools are good. But that's not to say they are all the same. Are you really indifferent between (if nothing else) the cost of your JD and location in which you'll spend much of your 20s (presumably)? The only sensible way to compare schools requires you to reflect first on your resources, preferences, and objectives. (Suffice it to say that the 'prestige' rankings are, at best, a heuristic.) We could start to rattle off all the ways schools are distinct. But that's an infinite list. And it's impossible for strangers to evaluate those differences. Finally, as someone who goes to U of T: cost is absolutely a factor, outweighed by other considerations.
  12. Dear vs Hi - OCI process

    I was being mean. Which was unnecessary, and I'm sorry. My original point was that, regardless of grammatical correctness, the humble law student ought to prefer the more conventional salutation ('Hi X,') because the grammatically-correct-but-somewhat-unconventional salutation ('Hi, X,') may leave the impression that the student is a bit of a pedant (or, worse, implicitly offering a correction). This was then illustrated by the comparison to Sean Spicer and the somewhat-sneering 'crowd following' comment -- in response to a trivial disagreement over proper usage of 'Hi.' Anyway, 'Hi, X,' isn't a red flag. People should use whatever salutation they feel comfortable with. Mimicking is a good rule of thumb, when uncertain. Bleh.
  13. Dear vs Hi - OCI process

    I was just about the edit my post to point that out! I haven't read either of the Garner/Scalia books, but I want to. That 'nimrod' example is great.
  14. Dear vs Hi - OCI process

    This is a great illustration of why 'Hi, soandso, ...' might be a bit of a red flag. I agree that mimicking is a a good rule of thumb for salutations. EDIT: If you get off on/are interested in the grammar wars, this essay by David Foster Wallace is a fun read (cliche as DFW essays are).
  15. Dear vs Hi - OCI process

    I think this is just descriptivism vs. prescriptivism. The assertion 'Hi' is more like 'ugh' than 'Dear' is wildly out of tune with how people speak English (and write emails). When used in a salutation, 'Dear' and 'Hi' are exactly the same kind of word. It's fine and good to be a prescriptivist -- but maybe not helpful during OCIs.
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