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  1. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Unless of course you're not a Quebec resident. 100k then is entirely possible. Quebec loves to discriminate of course. Also, what the fuck is up with the fact that I pay as much tuition as French nationals? I get It, Quebec has French roots. But I'm fucking CANADIAN. Gross.
  2. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Honest to god I don't know what they do. I imagine Starbucks, etc and eventually making manager or something. Then maybe with that managerial experience an office job doing something somewhat related - by the time they're 40? I probably have too pessimistic of a view to what employment is like outside of law. But honest to god, I worry if average BA grads (really any average undergrad graduate without quantitative skills) are trusted with more responsibility than the jobs I described above.
  3. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    As if they could get a construction job. I'm going to rephrase my comment: consider a K-JD student with a BA which provided no quantitative skills, who upon getting called is unemployed. What job could they possibly be qualified for outside of a part time serving/Starbucks job? Given this, who in their right mind wouldn't open up shop when they have a 1500 dollar debt payment coming up on the first of next month and each month, for the foreseeable future?
  4. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Sure. But also realize that those graduates, while bright, can just walk into another profession and make a living. A JD doesn't on its own open a ton of doors. And those graduates likely aren't in a position to go back to school to get trained for another means to make a living because of debt. So the point at which it makes sense for them to abandon law is higher, leading to incompetent soles taking dangerous risks.
  5. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Meh. Curriculum was reformed to somewhat deal with that issue. I'll let you know in a few years if it made any difference. But aside, I don't see what that has to do with anything. Competency has more to do with just theory, of course. But the Bar isn't designed to test competency for the practice of law practically because law schools don't deal with that. It's supposed to deal with theoretical competency. Training supposedly happens during articling.
  6. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    It shouldn't. That's why the profession is self regulated. Because it's been determined that people shouldn't be exposed to incompetent counsel (which they necessarily have to be before the market weeds them out). What you're saying is the bar exam doesn't address competency for legal practice, and that we already have legal graduates not competent to practice entering the profession. That's frightening.
  7. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Respectfully, given how the LSUC has been more worried about being called the LSO, I don't have much faith that they'll actually address what can very soon become a glaring issue.
  8. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Any new law school, for the foreseeable future, will produce competent lawyers. We're extremely far from the point of saturation where ever new admitted law student in the aggregate will necessarily be incompetent. Even the US isn't there. Gold medalists at a T4 school still pass licensing exams (I think?). I have no qualms if idiots want to line up and put down a small mortgage for a Non-future. I mean, I do because I would rather the 100 000 plus my tax money used to subsidize that tuition go to more productive uses, but whatever - let idiots be idiots. I just think: a) the LSUC needs to inform better of the employment numbers and career outlooks for law/law schools; b) the bar exam needs to, if we're going to keep opening schools, be an actual test for competency. I think that actually will improve access to justice because we'll have more competent lawyers make it, even though a massive larger amount don't (the dullards). Competition among competent lawyers will increase. Prices will lower. More people will be able to afford competent lawyers and thereby access justice. I think it's worth the economic harm of having dullards pay for useless degrees if it means we improve access to justice.
  9. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    Yeah, I agreed with all that. You cherry picked my post. I said the LSUC should hold a bar exam that actually goes to testing competency rather than flipping through pages in a massive book. I've said this before on this forum too.
  10. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    @providence got my point. I also never said opening a new law school would adversely affect access to justice, so I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. But competency does go to access to justice. You're not really getting access to justice with an incompetent lawyer. At best you're getting nothing. At worst you're getting access to injustice. But I'm not one to determine that. I have questions about some of the people I see in law schools today, and the stats that are admitted, but that's on the LSUC to regulate. I think we're definitely at a point where we need to consider the bar exam as an additional legitimate hurdle to measure competency, because I don't think law school admissions are sufficient on their own anymore in Canada.
  11. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    I'll say this much and leave it. Ryerson actually has a very talented faculty base from which to draw for a law school. I know a lot of them. They're very well regarded in their respective fields. Ryerson, by virtue of its location, will have a quickly growing talent base of students. It won't happen over night, but as a Toronto resident with many friends who went off to Queens and Western and Ottawa with full intent of coming back (they didn't get into Oz or U of T), I know at least anecdotally there will be significant draw among people who don't want to spend 3 years of their 20s in London or Kingston. The effect will be Canada wide, and province wide. Do I think it's a good idea for Canada? No. I think with the access to justice concerns we have, opening another school in downtown Toronto is the last goddamn thing to do. But now I'm getting into what's already been said. I have fond memories of Ryerson. I have no doubt they'll produce a good law school. But they really just shouldn't.
  12. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    The LSUC found a perfect way to increase justification for their own LPP program. Ryerson grads will technically be in a 4 year law school curriculum, since they won't have to switch buildings once they graduate.
  13. I don't think many people knew their credit scores before applying. To this day I still don't know mine.
  14. Elite Extracurriculars

    Are you asking me or the hypothetical client? Haha
  15. Elite Extracurriculars

    I'll give it to the leafs for doing well-ish the past two seasons. It's just a shame the past two decades of seasons before that we're mired in ineptitude though. Habs for the win, and i'm even a Torontonian!* *disclaimer: currently living in Montreal and may or may not be saying what i'm saying under a state of constant duress.