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  1. Making mistakes

    Yeah, coping with mistakes is part of learning how to practice law. Everyone is going to make them, but it's recovering from them in a way that doesn't hurt your client that is critical. I've made tons over the years, from faxing stuff to the wrong party, to missing a filing deadline, to not being alive to issues that I should have been. Just make sure you (a) go to the right people (partner, client, boss, etc.) when you detect that you may have made an error; (b) come up with the best plan you can to limit the repercussions (ask for extension right away, tell your client that their information was inadvertently disclosed, etc.); and (c) JUST DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT SITTING ON THEM. The absolute worst thing is to sit on something and let it fester. It almost never gets better. This might be one of those cases where a settlement would paper over your mistake, but don't count on that for next time. But learn from it and you're a better lawyer. And there'll be a next time, so learn from that too.
  2. Agreed. Almost no chance in hell a letter like this makes an impression unless it's a personal letter from the recruiter to another one, saying they would have loved to hire you, but because of specific circumstances you just didn't make the cut in that year.
  3. At my firm, there wouldn't really have been interactions with the receptionists, as we'd have someone greeting them and ushering them to a waiting area. But in the waiting area, a few articling students and junior associates rotate through to make small talk, and you can bet they would be reporting back any rudeness or strange stuff they saw.
  4. TBH, there are usually people on the bubble where deciding whether they end up on the inside or on the outside is pretty much as random as that.
  5. Suits for Women

    I'm just one opinion, but when it comes to interview wear, I don't really ever remembering what any woman was wearing. Everyone seemed to be unremarkably dressed. I do remember remarking on what some guys were wearing, because men tend to wear stuff which doesn't really fit them, which is pretty much the only faux pas that I would notice.
  6. You start off doing some interviews, then get more and more involved in the process until you get voluntold to be at the meeting.
  7. At my firm, lawyers who met with students provided feedback to the people going into the room.
  8. The room was our recruiting person, and a mix of partners and associates, roughly half and half, but a few more associates most years. The partners naturally had more weight when they spoke, but no one would disregard what the associates had to say by any means.
  9. They sit in a room (not necessarily that big, it can be quite crowded!) and discuss them one by one. There's a list of people everyone agrees is getting an offer, a list of people everyone agrees isn't, and then you hash out the remaining ones one by one until you have consensus. We always went by consensus at my firm - no one was getting an offer unless everyone in the room agreed. (Which didn't necessarily mean everyone agreed the best candidate was getting the offer, but everyone agreed that the room was decided and we were ready to accept the decision.)
  10. More power to you. To each their own
  11. Yeah, I did my five years and then took a big pay cut to do what I do now. I love my work, have reasonable hours and don't have to go speak at all kinds of conferences to try and build my name. I'll take the trade-off.
  12. I did think $15k was a lot of money back then. That was most of my student loans. After five years, I didn't think that any more. It probably took me about 2 years before money really didn't matter anymore. It’s definitely something that matters in the short term, but not in the long term. And yes, I realize that it's an incredible luxury to not care about money, before anyone yells at me.
  13. That lasts for a couple of months. What's the rate for associates? It was about $10K more than other firms when I was a student. Is it still the same?
  14. Yeah, if you're going to Bay St right out of school you will be paying off your student loans and/or socking away money in your RRSPs at the rate of tens of thousands of dollars a year. A differential of $10,000 in your first year (which is about $5,000 after tax) which evens out over time is not that material.
  15. Question

    It depends. It certainly wouldn't be unheard of. What practice area?