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  1. Osgoode vs. Western

    http://ultravires.ca/2017/11/summer-2018-recruitment-hiring-trust-not/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/jd-program/clinics-intensives/ - Osgoode has the most number of clinical programs in the country. So, everyone gets the chance to do something if they want to gain some practical experience. Clinical experience does not matter so much for corporate law firms. They care more about your grades and whether you have business experiences, JD/MBA, a business undergraduate degree, have taken a wide range of corporate/commercial law courses, etc. These are some of the things that will get your foot in the door. However, do not discount the connections and networks you will form by virtue of being IN Toronto, the market in which you want to actually work in. This gives U of T and Osgoode students an advantage in the Toronto hiring process. Civil litigation is completely different from corporate law by the way. I think I would have preferred full-year classes with fail-safe exams. In your first semester of 1L at Osgoode, you have criminal, contracts, and torts that are crammed into a 4 month period. It's tough for a lot of students who are just adjusting to law school. I would have preferred my December exams to be fail-safe. Western's focus is on business law, so you have to be relatively certain that is what you want to do. Osgoode is strong in almost every area of law (except health law). Saving money can be a huge deciding factor, though. Depending on the cost differences, you may be better off going to Western.
  2. Everyone that I personally know at Windsor law is from Toronto, so it makes sense that they'd look for jobs there. I think it's misleading to think that students self-select out of the OCI process. A lot of people like to think that Osgoode students self-select out of the OCI process too, but nearly everyone I know applied, even those who wanted to do social justice and public interest work. Once you get a more realistic picture of the legal market and realize that public interest jobs are few and not paid well, and given rising tuition costs and student debt, students begin to chase careers that they would never have initially. I think if you want to work in Toronto, then there are definitely better options than Windsor. Otherwise, it doesn't matter and Windsor is a fine school to attend.
  3. I lived in Passy as well in 1L and didn't think it was worth the cost, but everyone is different. You're forking out close to a grand per month for Passy. I do know of Osgoode students who rented out places for half that price in the York Village and surrounding areas. In any case, Celia should weigh the pros and cons and make an informed decision. She lives close enough to the school to have an active social life. Thursday pub nights are downtown anyway so it does not matter if she lived on campus. If she wants to meet people outside of her Section, then there are tons of school clubs and extracurriculars to get involved in. The main benefit of Passy is making friends with Osgoode students who live there, but you can befriend these same people in school as well. You have 3 years to get to know your cohort.
  4. Queens vs Windsor

    Osgoode is way more diverse than Queen's if that matters to you (both in terms of class profile and course selection). Osgoode bursaries are very generous. Grading wise, Osgoode has the most brutal curve that I've seen. A poster provided a link to Queen's first-year class grades, and almost no C's were handed out. In comparison, most Osgoode students get used to seeing a couple C grades on their transcripts. If you want to work in Toronto then you should absolutely go to Osgoode. Always attend the law school in the legal market that you want to practice in if you have the option to do so. Osgoode class size is 290 and Queen's is 200. However, at Osgoode, they divide the first year class into 4 sections so you do take all your courses with the same 75 students. I personally think Osgoode's diverse student body is one of its biggest strengths. They tend to accept more mature, aboriginal, and racialized students than other comparable schools like Toronto, Western, and Queen's. Queen's as an institution is known for its white, privileged student body, and the law school really is no different. That was what ultimately swayed me to Osgoode over Queen's, because I was looking forward to mingling in a more diverse class setting and wanted to work in Toronto. Edit: You won't find out whether you get the ICLP until you actually start your 1L semester at Osgoode.
  5. Can you give us some context here - reputation in what sense? It matters to Bay Street/New York employers and Supreme Court clerkships. Otherwise, the common consensus is to go to law school where you want to work. Not sure what else to tell you. If you're talking about the average layperson, then they won't be that impressed you go to Windsor but why does their opinion even matter?
  6. Celia says that her commute to Osgoode would only be 25 minutes. I don't see why you would live in residence if that were the case. Then again, I'm thinking more along the lines of saving money and maybe that is not a concern for her.
  7. Windsor vs. Osgoode: "Big Five" Firm Prospects

    While I agree with most of this, I also want to point out that it's disrespectful to call Fogler Rubinoff a no-name firm. They are very solid and participate in the OCI hiring process. I know U of T and Osgoode students/graduates working there that had nothing but positive things to say about the firm.
  8. Osgoode Community

    This. Though, I would imagine that U of T, Western, Queen's, and Lakehead have more of a high school-esque vibe.
  9. Is this a troll post? Your post history indicates that you were accepted into actual Canadian law schools - TRU and Saskatchewan. So, you want to reject your offers to Canadian law schools, spend that extra money to go to the UK for your law degree... only to come back to Canada and spend more money and time writing the NCA exams, and trying to break into the Canadian legal market? Forgive me for being rude, but I can't take this post as anything but a troll.
  10. This. I've been hearing of a lot of changes going on in the personal injury and insurance law fields. The insurance defence firms are facing a tight squeeze right now.
  11. Parkdale Intensive

    In your initial application, there was a checkbox to confirm whether you wanted to be considered for the summer position. I worked at Parkdale. PM me if you have any questions.
  12. This is a strange post. Given the fact that tuition alone is 27k, you really have all that extra money to spend on residence? A 30 minute commute isn't bad at all. There are people commuting an hour, or even over an hour, to Osgoode.
  13. Queens vs Windsor

    Hasn't this been discussed in many places on this forum? Even the conversation above covers some of these points. - Low admissions standards = weaker student body (in general) - Windsor is indisputably a lower ranked school (aside from the law school, even my friends who completed their undergrads there don't view it highly) - Seen as the Last Chance law school in Ontario. I won't get too much into this, as I personally have nothing against Windsor law. However, I've connected with Windsor law graduates who told me upfront that they wanted to go somewhere else, but could only get into Windsor. It does not bode well for a school when their own graduates don't look upon it favourably. - Does not have the best employment prospects. Bay Street aside, large amounts of people from the GTA/Toronto go to Windsor and try to come back here. If their ultimate goal was to practice in Toronto, then there are geographically closer schools than Windsor (networking, building connections, volunteering at the courts and clinics, etc.) - Even if you wanted to do social justice/public sector work, there are other law schools that can beat out Windsor, or at least provide similar opportunities (Osgoode and Ottawa come to mind). In any case, public sector employers do not care where you went to law school. MAG certainly does not seem to care. So, going to Windsor which markets itself as a "social justice" school does not hold any particular advantages. You can get clinical experiences at most, if not all, law schools. You can take courses in human rights, aboriginal law, immigration, criminal, and every other "public interest" type course at any law school. I'd be curious to know what courses Windsor law offers that align with your interests, because chances are these same courses will be offered at almost any other law school. In conclusion, these are my own thoughts. You may see things differently. I can tell you that I have many friends at Windsor law, and they generally agree with my viewpoints.
  14. Queens vs Windsor

    Queen's is a much better ranked school than Windsor. You really want to give that up? Most people who get into U of T, Osgoode, Western, and Queen's would not reject their offers to go to Windsor law.
  15. Ottawa vs Windsor

    I know a lot of people at Ottawa who are from Toronto and the GTA. Are there official stats on how many Ottawa law students are from Ottawa? Because, at this point it is all speculation.
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