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  1. I will also add that a couple of the 1L hires from Osgoode were JD/MBAs.
  2. Wow, never heard of this firm and just looked at their lawyers' profiles. All but two of their associates have clerked. There is a gold medalist. My god and I thought Henein's firm had the most impressive profiles.
  3. At the time, I thought the LSAT was going to be the hardest test it in my life, then I got a reality check after going to law school. I would much prefer to go back to those days plugging away at the logic games and completing logical reasoning stimuli.
  4. Osgoode and U of T have the First Generation Network, not sure about the other law schools. I attend Osgoode and am also a first generation university student.
  5. The ethical lawyer course is only 3 weeks long though and not much work. The evaluation consists of a short 900-word essay (15%), participation (15%), group case study (20%), final paper (50%). The final paper determines your grade as most people get the same marks in the other evaluations. The course is indeed useless and one of my lowest marks in 1L.
  6. I too found contracts, property, and torts more interesting that constitutional and criminal law in law school. However, I do believe they are more intellectually stimulating areas of law (I didn't say interesting per say, but intellectually stimulating).
  7. How do you have a 3.5 cumulative GPA with two failed classes? Are the failed classes still on your transcript, or have they been completely erased? Keep in mind that you are required to submit transcripts from all post-secondary institutions attended.
  8. I think this is an important discussion that doesn't get much noise on this forum. Among law students, and 0Ls, corporate/commercial law, Bay Street, and OCIs, are hyped up so much that most people don't pause for a second to actually consider the work that they will be doing. It really is grunt work for the first few years, and by that time, a lot of people burn out and leave. My friend found it tedious and not what he thought it would be, and decided against continuing there. As for intellectually stimulating areas of law, this is specific to the individual, but in general, I would think constitutional, refugee, criminal, human rights, and tax would be more challenging. Being a litigator is also likely more intellectually stimulating than being a solicitor.
  9. My mistake, thanks for the correction.
  10. I hated the structure of 1L at Osgoode. Ethical lawyering is a useless course taught over 1 week in the Fall term, and two weeks in the Winter term. Contracts, Torts, and Criminal are crammed into one term and our grades are final. Western and U of T offer all full-year courses with fail-safe midterm exams which are a blessing in disguise. OP, law school exams are 100% so technically you can skip every class and still do well. Depending on your undergraduate program, the workload itself may be light, but the learning curve is quite steep. It's hard for most students to wrap their minds around legal cases and analysis. So, figure out a strategy that works for you and don't just listen to what others around you tell you to do.
  11. I should've put Triad Ad as my first option. I figured Evidence with Berger was a more popular course, but there are other sections for this course and only one Trial Ad course. Feeling really bummed out right now.
  12. So, upper year course enrollments were made available today. I didn't get into either my first (A) or second (B) option. This happen to anyone else? What are the chances of the waitlist moving, and by how much? The courses were evidence with Berger and Trial Advocacy.
  13. +1 During OCIs, there were two people from my class hired in the full-service firms with C+/B averages. I started to question how they were offered interviews in the first place (unless they had connections), and then found out both have science/engineering backgrounds and work in the firms' IP departments. I have a close friend at Bereskin who was hired with a C average, but he has a phD and many years of work experience. These firms arguably care more about hiring students with these backgrounds than law school grades.
  14. Everyone's about the money now here, lol. I would imagine it to range from 70-120k. The articling salaries are definitely higher in this field than in criminal law (at least from the job postings that I have seen), so I imagine associate salaries would be higher as well. Management-side likely pays more than the labour side. I know someone who worked at Sherrard Kuzz who lateralled into a prominent corporate law firm, and he told me that the salaries were equally as competitive. The good thing about this field is that it involves a high amount of advocacy, so offers a good alternative to criminal law for those who are interested in advocacy and litigation, but want to make more money on average to do it. It's also probably less stressful than worrying about whether your client will face years in prison. I know a lawyer who was practicing a mix of criminal and refugee law cases, who made the switch to labour law, and she was very happy doing it. So, make sure that money is not your only motivation and you actually like the practice area.
  15. +1 I'm still in law school but I know three students who were hired at the Crown - Toronto offices. All three had A averages in law school with multiple A+ grades. They won prizes in criminal law and had better grades than most of the people that went on Bay Street. Though, ironically, one of them did interview with the Bay firms and was not hired. He believes this was due to fit, as he was clearly an academic, very nuanced in the case law and legal analysis but a bit of an awkward fellow. People with questionable grades and experiences may get hired on Bay Street, but it's certainly not happening with the Crown and the top criminal defence firms. It attracts the cream of the crop.