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  1. Simbaa

    Is it worth it?

    What are your expectations? How much money are you looking to make coming out of law school, how much debt do you want to take on, and what are your alternative career options if you do not go to law school? If you want to practice law, then go to law school. That is why it's there. I went to Osgoode and average age for first years in my class was 26. You'll be a few years older than a lot of people, but there are tons of people going to law school in their late 20s and early-mid 30s. There are even people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s going to law school. Don't discount law school just because someone said you were too old or the market sucks. Which market do you want to work in?
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    Mid-life crisis during Articling?

    Sounds like you're more suited to work in a small firm setting, legal clinic, or government. Once you get called to the bar you can go anywhere, so maybe consider pushing on with this this until then. 60 hours a week in law is actually less than what a lot of people work. I think your expectations were out of line because law school has almost nothing to do with the practice of law itself. I know many lawyers who did poorly in law school, but are excellent in their practice now. However, if you really are feeling suicidal and suffering from mental health issues, then you may want to consider leaving and reassessing your life. You only need to complete articling to practice as a lawyer. Know that you can still take your law degree and work in other fields like public policy and business. It's a versatile degree so it's not as if you're only limited to practicing law with a law degree. I know one person who never articled and works for the government as a policy analyst now, and I know others who left the practice of law once they were called to the bar. Your life is just starting and far from being over. It just sounds like the practice of law may not be for you, at least in a mid-sized/large firm setting where you are expected to put in more hours. Though, keep in mind that if you want to have a successful law practice then you reap what you sow, and most lawyers - even sole practitioners - are working 60+ hours a week. My buddy is articling for a sole practitioner now and also works 60+ hours a week. Law is almost never a 9-5 job, so if that is what you expected then you probably came to law school for the wrong reasons.
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    Choosing a law school

    You need to really sit down and think about whether you want to live and work in Toronto/Ontario. I've talked to UBC students who tried breaking into the Toronto market, and they felt that they were at a disadvantage due to not having connections to the city. You won't be able to attend networking and social events in Toronto. You won't be learning the law of Ontario. The tuition differences have been explained already to you. It comes down to this: 1) Do you want to work in Toronto/Ontario? 2) Do you want to work in New York or an international market? If so, you should attend U of T, Osgoode, or McGill since these schools carry the most weight outside of our borders. 3) Do you want to work in Biglaw on Bay Street? Then you absolutely want to go to U of T, followed by Osgoode or another Ontario law school - preferably Western/Queen's which does better than Ottawa and Windsor for Bay Street hiring. Though, you could still get there from UBC as well. 4) Do you want to build a career in Vancouver? Go to UBC. 5) Do you want to keep your doors open in terms of practice areas and locations (meaning that your degree will be looked at favourably in different regional markets? Then go to U of T or Osgoode.
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    Western vs Osgoode

    Nobody said you'd be networking with random lawyers on the street while in law school. Many firm tours, legal events, and OBA networking events take place during the weekdays WHILE in law school. I'd just finish classes, put on a suit, then take a quick bus or drive downtown to attend these events and network with articling students and lawyers. You can't attend events in Toronto during the weekdays if you're in London, Ontario (and almost none of these events are held on a weekend), but you can do so if you attend a Toronto law school. Osgoode's clinical programs also have many connections with the Toronto courts, so by participating in these programs you can very well form relationships with counsel at these courts as a law student.
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    Western vs Osgoode

    http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/UV-February-2018-Recruitment-Special.pdf http://ultravires.ca/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Recruitment-Special.pdf http://ultravires.ca/2015/11/2016-summer-student-hiring/ Keep in mind Osgoode's class size is 290-310 and Western's class size is 175. Western's focus is almost exclusively on business law, while students have a diverse range of interests at Osgoode and many are not interested in corporate law or Bay Street.
  6. I didn't love Osgoode and agree with all of these points. Though it must be noted that there's a big difference between 93/205 and 83/290 (realistically the class size is around 300-310) for OCI hires. International reputation - Osgoode is well known, but does not come near U of T at all. Go on TLS and the only Canadian law schools they've really heard of are U of T and McGill. It still carries an international reputation for sure, but U of T's name is definitely better and place more students in New York. I don't know about McGill.
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    Worried B- student

    Do you have any connections?
  8. My friend failed one of her bar exams. She didn't seem that fazed about it though, and didn't put a lot of studying into it. I mean, she went to one of the best Canadian law schools and performed well enough to get a clerkship. She told anyone that asked her about the bar exams how she did, and just studied harder the second time around and passed. Honestly, who you want to tell is your business and yours alone. You graduated from law school, something that less than 10% of the Canadian population can say they did. The bar exam is not the LSAT. You'll be fine.
  9. Simbaa

    Worried B- student

    You're only applying to 20? Maybe 1-3 OCIs at most. Your grades are not competitive for most firms participating in the OCI process. Work on improving your grades in 2L and getting some relevant experience so you can market yourself well in the articling recruit (employers tend to be small/mid-sized firms for the most part here, so a demonstrated interest in their practice area/s is necessary to secure interviews).
  10. You've given a lot of misinformation in this thread as someone who is not in law school, so I would advise anyone reading his/her posts now, or in the future, to take it with a heavy grain of salt.
  11. Simbaa

    Disappointed Cycle?

    Pretty much everything that needs to be said has been said here. Look, your GPA really was not competitive for most of the schools you applied to; I will not comment on your PS since nobody here has read it. You keep saying that your GPA fell due to your science courses, but I had higher grades in my STEM courses over my social science and humanities courses in undergrad. Law schools do not discriminate between arts and science degrees, because people have different strengths, and some may very well perform better in STEM courses over social science courses. Stop blaming your academic performance on the fact that you were in a STEM program. I'm not going to get into an in-depth discussion with you on why that is, but you can read more on it below. Oh, and your attitude needs work. Most people here are in law school or have graduated from law school already. There are lawyers here trying to give you advice and you're just knocking all of them down. Is this the kind of attitude you want to carry with you into law school and the legal profession, where the ability to take constructive criticism and build positive networks and relationships with people are absolutely crucial to defining you as a person and your legal career?
  12. You can do 2 years in college and 2 years in university and get a degree. Law schools accept this. I know a few people at Osgoode who did 2+2 and got in.
  13. Same with Lerners. I went into the interview without realizing that 90% of their practice was personal injury and insurance defence.
  14. In 1L, all your classes will be in the morning and afternoon. You can certainly avoid night classes in 2L and 3L, as there are not that many, to begin with. If you're asking about walking home to the York Village or Osgoode Chambers, the Village is a 5-10 minute walk from the Osgoode building and Osgoode Chambers (residence) is directly across the street from it. If a 5-10 minute walk still worries you late at night, then you can also use the Transportation Shuttle Services provided by York University - http://transportation.info.yorku.ca/shuttle-services/.
  15. You don't like North York? Take a 30 minute subway to the downtown core. Osgoode's social events are mainly held in its building or downtown anyways, so not like you have to drive down to Jane & Finch for your weekly Thursday pub nights.
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