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  1. U Alberta or Osgoode

    I think a lot of people don't like to expose their lower grades at Osgoode. The C grade is horrifying to students and nobody wants to go around telling people that. I am just more aware of this since, not to out myself out, but I am part of student government and know more students on average. I believe a C+ average puts you in the bottom 20-25% rather than 10%.
  2. U Alberta or Osgoode

    I know a couple people with C+ averages who locked down OCI jobs (I think one person may be C average but who knows). I do not know what year you are in, but ask the upper years if they know people with those averages on Bay Street and they would say yes. The smartest people are not on Bay Street. The people at Osgoode with the best grades tend to go into academia, litigation, clerkships, and public interest careers (i.e. firms like Marie Henein, MAG, Peacebuilders, etc.). Bay Street is all about fit, while more academic careers care more about your grades. This website can often be misleading in its small group of people touting about their high grades and Bay Street jobs, but there are a lot of people who do not come on here as well. Edit: I will add that the people with C+ averages I know on Bay Street were good at networking and making connections, and fit the Bay Street profile really well (i.e. varsity sports, wine and dine culture, frequent pub nights, strong social skills, etc.).
  3. This. Huge difference between being East Asian and Black or Filipino. Socioeconomics also tend to affect some groups more than others.
  4. U Alberta or Osgoode

    I know people bottom of their class at Osgoode who have very successful careers and were quite successful in the OCI and articling recruits as well. This is like saying I may as well go to Ryerson commerce over Ivey School of Business, because I have a better chance of being top of the class at Ryerson. Meanwhile, there are average students coming out of places like Ivey working at Goldman Sachs and BCG. The problem with BlockedQuebecois arguments is that he or she thinks that grades and student recruitment is everything. Sure, there are Osgoode students who do not land a job through OCIs, do not land a job through the articling recruit, and then either do the Ryerson LLP or work in some crappy firm. Again, you are still just a student. Once you get called to the Bar, the opportunities with your degree are limitless. A lot of people who struggle to get jobs as a student, do quite well for themselves as Associates and Partners when they have attained some years of experience. Many corporations now are hiring in-house counsel, Bay Street firms do lateral hires, and an Osgoode degree IS known outside of Canada where you can create your own opportunities and reach out to prospective employers. Put an Osgoode graduate and an Alberta graduate in the Ryerson LPP, and who do you think will net the best opportunities out of the program? You need to be thinking more long-term about your career and life rather than simply being fixated on law school grades and OCIs.
  5. It is a very common goal because it is the path of least resistance. The vast majority of law school resources in terms of careers is reserved for OCIs, which takes place in your 2L Fall term, and the majority of employers that participate in this process are the large corporate/commercial firms. If you are hired into one of these firms as a 2L summer student, then not only will you make good money, but you will also almost always be hired back for articling, and then offered an associate position afterwards (or may use your experiences to lateral into another firm). Almost every single person I know that came into law school wanting to do social justice and public interest work, now works in Big Law or will article in civil litigation (personal injury and insurance defence). Again, it is the path of least resistance. The articling recruit takes place in the summer before you start 3L, and the majority of employers that participate in this process are civil litigation firms and the Ministry of Attorney General. So, as you can see opportunities for social justice and public interest work is incredibly limited, and also does not pay well if you are in significant debt. People start getting funneled into certain practice areas simply by virtue of where they get a job. The articling crisis is real, and it frightens many students who are in debt and have been in school for many years. The Bay Street firms pander to this fear and entice law students with the riches they have to offer. Many students don't get hired through the OCI process, and will start taking whatever jobs they can get because nobody wants to end 3L without an articling position.
  6. I don't know about other schools but tons of people at Osgoode with mostly B's and even a few C/C+ grades (considering that there are no minuses at Oz) are working on Bay Street.
  7. Osgoode vs UBC

    LMAOOOOOO. Never have I made a comment like this on lawstudents.ca in my many years of frequenting this site. Once I read OP's stereotypical and racist comments against Osgoode and its student body, I knew right off the bat I don't want someone like this to attend my institution. Bro (or madam), you come to my school and talk to me, let's just say that I would give you my 2 cents and put you in your place. Do you live in Canada or were you raised in a cave? Open your eyes to the world you live in. Edit: Never mind, he/she made the same statements on UBC. Good god. You live in York Region? It's one of the most multicultural cities in Canada.
  8. Osgoode vs. Western

    Welcome to Osgoode my friend.
  9. Osgoode vs. Western

    http://ultravires.ca/2017/11/summer-2018-recruitment-hiring-trust-not/ https://www.osgoode.yorku.ca/programs/jd-program/clinics-intensives/ - Osgoode has the most number of clinical programs in the country. So, everyone gets the chance to do something if they want to gain some practical experience. Clinical experience does not matter so much for corporate law firms. They care more about your grades and whether you have business experiences, JD/MBA, a business undergraduate degree, have taken a wide range of corporate/commercial law courses, etc. These are some of the things that will get your foot in the door. However, do not discount the connections and networks you will form by virtue of being IN Toronto, the market in which you want to actually work in. This gives U of T and Osgoode students an advantage in the Toronto hiring process. Civil litigation is completely different from corporate law by the way. I think I would have preferred full-year classes with fail-safe exams. In your first semester of 1L at Osgoode, you have criminal, contracts, and torts that are crammed into a 4 month period. It's tough for a lot of students who are just adjusting to law school. I would have preferred my December exams to be fail-safe. Western's focus is on business law, so you have to be relatively certain that is what you want to do. Osgoode is strong in almost every area of law (except health law). Saving money can be a huge deciding factor, though. Depending on the cost differences, you may be better off going to Western.
  10. Everyone that I personally know at Windsor law is from Toronto, so it makes sense that they'd look for jobs there. I think it's misleading to think that students self-select out of the OCI process. A lot of people like to think that Osgoode students self-select out of the OCI process too, but nearly everyone I know applied, even those who wanted to do social justice and public interest work. Once you get a more realistic picture of the legal market and realize that public interest jobs are few and not paid well, and given rising tuition costs and student debt, students begin to chase careers that they would never have initially. I think if you want to work in Toronto, then there are definitely better options than Windsor. Otherwise, it doesn't matter and Windsor is a fine school to attend.
  11. I lived in Passy as well in 1L and didn't think it was worth the cost, but everyone is different. You're forking out close to a grand per month for Passy. I do know of Osgoode students who rented out places for half that price in the York Village and surrounding areas. In any case, Celia should weigh the pros and cons and make an informed decision. She lives close enough to the school to have an active social life. Thursday pub nights are downtown anyway so it does not matter if she lived on campus. If she wants to meet people outside of her Section, then there are tons of school clubs and extracurriculars to get involved in. The main benefit of Passy is making friends with Osgoode students who live there, but you can befriend these same people in school as well. You have 3 years to get to know your cohort.
  12. Queens vs Windsor

    Osgoode is way more diverse than Queen's if that matters to you (both in terms of class profile and course selection). Osgoode bursaries are very generous. Grading wise, Osgoode has the most brutal curve that I've seen. A poster provided a link to Queen's first-year class grades, and almost no C's were handed out. In comparison, most Osgoode students get used to seeing a couple C grades on their transcripts. If you want to work in Toronto then you should absolutely go to Osgoode. Always attend the law school in the legal market that you want to practice in if you have the option to do so. Osgoode class size is 290 and Queen's is 200. However, at Osgoode, they divide the first year class into 4 sections so you do take all your courses with the same 75 students. I personally think Osgoode's diverse student body is one of its biggest strengths. They tend to accept more mature, aboriginal, and racialized students than other comparable schools like Toronto, Western, and Queen's. Queen's as an institution is known for its white, privileged student body, and the law school really is no different. That was what ultimately swayed me to Osgoode over Queen's, because I was looking forward to mingling in a more diverse class setting and wanted to work in Toronto. Edit: You won't find out whether you get the ICLP until you actually start your 1L semester at Osgoode.
  13. Can you give us some context here - reputation in what sense? It matters to Bay Street/New York employers and Supreme Court clerkships. Otherwise, the common consensus is to go to law school where you want to work. Not sure what else to tell you. If you're talking about the average layperson, then they won't be that impressed you go to Windsor but why does their opinion even matter?
  14. Celia says that her commute to Osgoode would only be 25 minutes. I don't see why you would live in residence if that were the case. Then again, I'm thinking more along the lines of saving money and maybe that is not a concern for her.
  15. Windsor vs. Osgoode: "Big Five" Firm Prospects

    While I agree with most of this, I also want to point out that it's disrespectful to call Fogler Rubinoff a no-name firm. They are very solid and participate in the OCI hiring process. I know U of T and Osgoode students/graduates working there that had nothing but positive things to say about the firm.
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