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  1. Transitioning to Regulatory Law

    1) Mine was meant to be a humorous remark. I endorse the message about working on weekends being... less than pleasant for most of us. 2) That is a great qualifier as to how you stay outside of the gray area altogether. In my limited experience, I find many/some non-practicing lawyers in the field to be less strict about their involvement. Wow, unlimited legal budgets (or even ones somewhat restricted, but generous) are something to envy. Even when practicing law, one yearns for getting opinions from some niche specialists. I wish...! Well, maybe I should make the pitch for more CPD, but that still does not fully solve the matter.
  2. Screwups and Faceplants

    Is there more context to that; or am I too dense to get how such a turn of phrase would be regret-inducing under any circumstances...?
  3. Transitioning to Regulatory Law

    I keep insisting on the same distinction. I actually call it "LSUC o/a LSO" in circles that entertain professional sarcasm. It also appears one of kurrika's data points has been further refined to: "being a client is awesome, except on weekends and statutory holidays, with snarki-ness particularly high around 8:30 am on Saturdays". More directly to one of OP's questions: many lawyers in not-strictly-law regulatory positions register in the 50% fee category with the law society. I have heard and participated in many discussions about how they might still actually be engaging in some of the expansive definition of 'practicing law', which seems to be a gray area.
  4. That's a laudable EDI initiative, no?
  5. Quitting 2L Offer

    I am sure @providence follows the rule about zealous advocacy above all. Just wait until OP retains her for the Good Character hearing that is never going to happen... I admit I was trying to argue against it, pushed at the margins, just because it seemed the position was pushed to 23 out of 10. You're wrong. It is not NCA candidates. They are law students from the newly established law school in Beverley McLachlin's own basement.
  6. Quitting 2L Offer

    Yes. It's obvious from this thread that lawyers just give up because "rules are rules"...
  7. Quitting 2L Offer

    Well, if we convince the moderators to apply for CPD accreditation, I think this ethics case study could count as Professionalism hours for whatever licensee participates. If we contrast Toronto vs the rest of Ontario, we might even get EDI accreditation (Equity, Diversity and Inclusion)...
  8. Quitting 2L Offer

    In your practice, you argue about the intent of laws all the time. The fact that this LSO Practice does not apply outside Toronto suggests a certain type of intent. Don't London/Windsor/Thunder Bay legal employers need to be protected from unethical summer students? Are Toronto employers more vulnerable? Does this suggest a certain type of rationale for the LSO Practice? [I did suggest that it was well understood by much of the bar, that the Toronto Recruitment Practice was meant primarily to protect students from employers jumping the gun, etc.]
  9. Quitting 2L Offer

    We have no reason to believe OP has accepted the offer from Firm B. She is vacillating. She could even do so by the book if Firm A and OP mutually agree.
  10. Quitting 2L Offer

    Wouldn't we agree that summer and articling students don't have to follow any rules not specifically made for them by the Law Society?
  11. Quitting 2L Offer

    Quoted assumptions above are not supported by @Zina's stated position (or I don't remember it). Firm B may very well not know about Firm A and could have made an offer out of the blue. OP may not have been actively searching, but may now have this practical and ethical epiphany when Firm B has reached out with a very tempting offer. If both Firm A and Firm B were outside the City of Toronto, OP would have no obligation imposed by the Law Society. (Non-good-character) ethics and reputation not included.
  12. Quitting 2L Offer

    In those circumstances, not entirely defined, the LSUC Rules clearly apply.
  13. Quitting 2L Offer

    Well, we have ethical obligations as counsel. The not-yet summer student doesn't have similarly broad obligations. At best, they have a technical obligation as per the black letter of the LSUC Procedures; and whatever moral obligation and reputational considerations apply to the student.
  14. Quitting 2L Offer

    I should have word-smithed that more precisely: "the one who has made the most posts in support of said view within this thread..." Seeing the fact that the summer student rules only apply within Toronto, and that it is my contention above that they are not really meant to protect legal employers (even small firms), but rather students in the Toronto recruit, do you still think specific non-market rules should actually apply to these summer students? The only way I can justify this is: it is a regulatory-imposed bargain that if students get the benefits of the rules to "play" in Toronto, then the Toronto legal employers also should. I don't find that very persuasive. Disparity of bargaining power, even between students and sole practitioners. Overall, however, we agree it is technically against the rules for the OP to simply walk away from Firm 1 (@Diplock notwithstanding), but we also agree that there are options short of that which would not breach the rules or are likely to give the OP an out, even with a begrudging Firm 1.
  15. Quitting 2L Offer

    The Law Society has seen fit to make these rules re summer student recruitment only for positions within the geographical bounds of the City of Toronto (not even the GTA). Articling recruit is different. Given that the proportion of smaller firms is higher outside the City of Toronto, it is even more reasonable to infer that the regulator was not really trying to protect those small firms or other legal employers, but rather the many, many students who seek summer employment in the large Toronto legal market.