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  1. I should add that a 3.06 is quite low as a cGPA and likely puts you out of the running for several Ontario and index schools. Others can comment more about non-ON stuff, probably.
  2. This might help with respect to giving you some idea of your chances for Ontario schools: http://lawapplicants.ca Your ECs are average for law students, so I’d focus on your grades for sure. L2 is not an easy stat to estimate, because a lot of it depends on how the school does its own internal calculation, which may be quite different from school to school. I’d worry less about getting it right than just keeping your grades up. If you’re worried about a 160 you can definitely retake. 160 is on the cusp for a lot of Ontario schools, so it might make sense to go for it again if you’re worried about your grades.
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    Next steps after the LSAT

    I’d say that’s pretty good and I feel like you probably don’t have to retake the LSAT. I’m not super familiar with the 4.33 scale, but 3.97/4.33 is around an A right? If so, I think you’re good to go on that front. Others may have more thoughts but in my opinion I think you’re in a pretty good position. Though, I’d check on the LSAT medians for schools you’re applying to (or, at the very least, what the schools consider “competitive for admission”) just to make sure.
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    Chances? 3.43; 163

    Your LSAT is good but the CGPA is a bit low. You do have a chance though. Check out www.lawapplicants.ca and see what the predictor says. It might be helpful.
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    Next steps after the LSAT

    What’s your LSAT score and GPA? Indexes are fine and all but as far as I know they’re estimates. It’s always best to see how your stats compare to the medians.
  6. I don’t think so. You can (and in fact must) request your college transcripts, and your certificate will be noted on that. The non-credit course is probably not something that law schools will care about enough to want proof, though you can mention it in your PS if you want. Edit to add: I should note that if your non-credit course was at a college or university then you need to request a transcript for it, in which case it will be in there.
  7. I’ve deleted some off topic posts. Please, people, answer the question or don’t.
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    There are two courses in 1L with a moot component: Ethical Lawyering and Legal Process. If I remember right, both moots happen in second term. Beyond that, there are moots that I would suggest you participate in, if you’re interested, that happen in first year outside of classes. One is the Lerners Cup in the fall, and the other is FOOM (Frozen Open Osgoode Moot) in the winter. Both of these are open to anyone and they’re pretty fun. I believe one of them (FOOM?) optionally serves as a tryout for the Baby Gale if you want to be on that team. Beyond this, there are of course competitive moots every year for all levels, which will require trying out and various levels of commitment if you’re selected.
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    Re-using LORS in new application

    You’ll have to contact your referees again and have them resubmit.
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    US Biglaw with Canadian JD?

    There is certainly an opportunity to work in the US if you graduate from a Canadian school. I know specifically that every year, a few people from U of T and Osgoode end up there. I'm sure people from other Ontario schools place there with varied frequency. No idea about out-of-province, but again, I'm sure it happens. Note that it's very competitive, much more so than getting hired at OCI firms in Toronto or their equivalent in other provinces. I've only ever heard of people going to New York. I have no idea of what other states are open to graduates of Canadian law schools. Presumably there are others that recognize Canadian JDs as being eligible to take the bar, but I don't know what their rules are. A couple of posters here might have more information, but you'll probably have to research independently or even call the bar associations in your target state (i.e., Texas) and ask.
  11. (This is the 2018 update to my popular 2016 chances predictor, which is the successor to my original project. Have a look at my original posts for some history) So here we are, two years after my 2016 predictor and I've had time to refresh it just in time for the new cycle to begin! Once again, I went through and collected data for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 cycles and added them to the samples that I already collected going back to around 2011. The new sample set now has 2,003 data points. So here's what I found. First off, Windsor and Lakehead still don't yield a good enough model to run predictions off of. For Lakehead, this could be because of lack of data, as they're still a (relatively) new school, and people only just recently started to post their stats on here. In the context of Windsor, my inkling is that they have a substantial non-stats factor to their evaluation, therefore making the internal consistency of the hard statistics pretty terrible for those who are admitted. I will keep trying every year and hopefully at some point I can actually plug both of these schools into the model. Cumulative GPA and LSAT still seem to be the best predictors of acceptance. There is evidence to suggest that LSAT moderates CGPA as well (in other words, not only is it directly considered by schools, but it also offsets lower CGPAs [and vice-versa], to an extent). This is not taken into consideration by the prediction model, as the equation would generate really stupid values if I did that. But the observation from an analysis perspective is helpful. How much do CGPA and LSAT matter? Depends on the school, but the stats appear to explain between around 35%-60% of one's chances. The balance of that equation is probably things like graduate degrees, extra-curriculars, reference letters, and other factors. As for the weight of each of them, again it depends on the school. Ottawa, Osgoode, Toronto, and Western place more emphasis on cGPA than LSAT, with Osgoode taking the lead at how much your odds increase as your cGPA grows. Western, on the other hand, goes the other way, placing more weight on LSAT over cGPA, albeit only marginally. What about differences over the last two years? There are some. Average admitted cGPAs have gone up at each school between 0.01 and 0.03 points. Average admitted LSAT seems to have decreased by 1 point at Ottawa, Toronto and Western, but has stayed consistent at Osgoode and Queen's. The analysis of the stats makes it unclear whether admission has gotten more competitive. Increases in cGPA at Queen's and Ottawa appears to have increased one's odds of admission far less than they did in 2016. Osgoode went the other direction, giving you a higher chance of admission for every 0.1 increase in cGPA than they did in 2016. Toronto and Western stayed relatively consistent here. For LSAT, every school except Queen's has loosened up a bit, giving applicants slightly or moderately higher chances of being admitted for every point they picked up on the exam. Combined with the tightening in competitiveness of cGPAs on the other end at certain schools, along with the weight of grades over test scores, means that overall it probably hasn't gotten substantially easier to get into law school than it was two years ago. Here's my comparison between 2016 and 2018 with respect to if it got easier or harder to get into a school: Osgoode: Slightly easier generally, but particularly for those with higher grades. Ottawa: Probably the same as it was in 2016, given that it's gotten harder from a grade standpoint but easier from an LSAT standpoint. Queen's: Slightly harder generally, but particularly with respect to grades. Toronto: Slightly easier if you have a higher LSAT. Western: Probably the same as it was in 2016. What are the limitations of this model? Lots. Remember that it's all self-reported data from this website. It's probably as close as we're going to get to some meaningful statistics, but its accuracy is can't be guaranteed. It's hard to generalize this kind of stuff to broader admissions, and until the law schools report their samples publicly (which will be never), we will never know what actually one's chances will be -- we can only speculate. So enjoy some speculation! The updated charts showing new average/median stats are available on my website, along with the predictor itself. Check it out!
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    Office Romance

    Since OP deleted his post, I think we can close this off.
  13. 3.7 is the top of the A- range (80-86%). 3.3 is a B+ (75-79%). See the huge gap? If you have an 80%, you get 3.7, but if you got 1% less, you get a 3.3. You have a lot of B+ marks on your transcript, which bring down your GPA. Here’s an example: A-, A-, B+. On a traditional scale, your average would still be like 83%. But on the OLSAS scale, it’d turn into a 3.56. Ouch. Here’s a better explanation for why this is: https://lawapplicants.ca/faq#grades-olsas-down
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    Is it fun?

    I feel like that’s a pretty big exaggeration. Solicitors can make a lot of money, and large transactions bill a substantial amount. But I mean, just like with “getting rich practicing civil litigation”, you’d have to hit the big time to likewise get rich as a solicitor. Most people will do neither, but then again, “getting rich” means different things to different people. Breaking into the 10% of top earners is definitely doable, and to some that’s certainly a rich life. But if you’re taking about millions, then yeah, that’s a short list of people who make that much practicing law period, never mind doing civil lit. In Canada, anyway. Or so’s my understanding. I’m not a practitioner but I’ve done some research and it seems to coincide with what I’ve said above.
  15. It’s not a category, per se. It’s an idenfication you can make if you meet the requirements.