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  1. Question regarding references for 1L and 2L summer positions

    Big law firms don't ask for them. Sometimes people provide them, sometime they might be useful, but for the most part they're not really part of the process.
  2. Suits For Men

    I don't disagree, but, WRT to the bolded comment, I'm reminded of this article by the then chief counsel of AON: https://abovethelaw.com/2012/07/inside-straight-dress-to-excess/ He wrote a book on practicing law, his chapter 8 "Dress for Success" read, in it's entirety:
  3. Suits For Men

    There is a payoff too - good quality shoes last much longer. I've always had a soft spot for Dacks, but their "sale" prices are never particularly cheap: http://www.matthewdack.com/
  4. Very Low Paid Articling Position

    Why? Price and value are two different things. The water that comes out of my tap is priced at pennies a glass, but I literally couldn't live without it. Price is simply a function of supply and demand. Also, in reality in many instances lawyers really are performing charity - call it what you want - when they take on articling students. They do it not because there's any particular economic benefit to them of hiring an articling student, but because they feel they have a duty to the profession to train the next generation of lawyers. Maybe they might be able to recover the cost of their student and make a few bucks off them (harder than you think, even at big, firms many large clients refuse to pay for student time), maybe they won't, but that isn't why they hire articling students. From that perspective, think of how they see this discussions: "You want me to train you AND you want me to pay you more for the privilege?".
  5. Very Low Paid Articling Position

    OP, You've really got two different questions. Should you do anything now? And, if not, what should you do if they firm tries to hire you back at a below market salary? The first one is a no-brainer. You want to get called next year, you likely won't get another articling position this year (setting aside professional considerations), the market is otherwise shit (so no guarantee that you'd do better if you could find another articling position), and quitting a job over money after telling the employer that money doesn't really matter isn't going to make you friends in the profession. And, recall, you are an articling student, this is as much a learning exercise as a job, that you're getting paid at all makes it an improvement over your last three years as a student. The second one, well, you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself here, right now there's no guarantee that they're going to be offering you anything, below-market or otherwise. If you impress them, and if they make you an offer, and if that offer is offside, for sure, nothing wrong with asking for a "market" wage. But it might be worth while figuring out what "market" is in your community. Is it a reasonable fixed salary and a bonus? Is it a base salary plus some percentage of collections? I mean, it's worth recalling, the people you work for they don't get a minimum wage either - they only get paid what they collect AFTER paying for, inter alia, articling students. I'm sure they do fine, but there are no guarantees in the business of law.
  6. GIve G&C some credit, they dissolved with a bit more grace and style than Heenan.
  7. Post hire-back etiquette

    Right, but I think the logic behind that was that it wouldn't make sense to looking for opportunities if leaving after a few months was going to screw you forever in the business. Presumably, though, they'd only leave if they had an offer.
  8. Post hire-back etiquette

    That's true, but the question of do you have to stick around rather presupposes that you have someplace else to go. I've known a few people who were hired back and either left before they came back as associates or shortly thereafter. I think people understand that there is a certain "bird in the hand' element to accepting hireback offers.
  9. Post hire-back etiquette

    What Providence said. They could fire you tommorow if circumstances changed, you could quit tomorrow. So long as you're there work hard, do good work and if something else comes up, well, everyone's over 21, they'll deal.
  10. Do lawyers ever have really "grand" offices?

    One rather suspects that the big client has already told them that, and that the renovations are the response.
  11. Stuff to Bring to Law School

    If you wear a suit to school, you deserve to be laughed at. And pantsed. Despite having long used a briefcase, I've come around to the merits of a backpack. It's better for your back, it fits your shit better and its generally more practical. I've got a decent one that I was given as a speaker's gift a few years ago and it has served me well.
  12. It bounces around depending on difficulty of each writing and quality of exam cohorts. The version of the LSAT that I wrote was apparently a distinctly difficulty one (or maybe we were a particularly dim cohort) because my score had me in the 98th percentile. The same score in later versions would put me in the 96th or 95th percentile.
  13. Isn't it because the percentile depends on how other people have done in other writings of the LSAT? I had thought the LSAC did it's percentile rankings based on the last 3 year window of test scores. Looking at it now is a different 3 year window then it was last fall. Look at this sheet from the LSAC: https://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/data-(lsac-resources)-docs/lsat-score-distribution.pdf Depending on what 3 year cohort you compare yourself with, the same test score can put you in marginally different percentiles. Here's another example: https://lawschooli.com/lsat-percentiles-lsat-score-percentile-chart-2005-2013/
  14. I think that's what the rest of call a Liberal. But potatoe/potato.
  15. Desk suggestions?

    Get one with lots of room underneath, where you can pile up discarded papers and practice sleeping under a desk - it'll get you used to life as an articling student.