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  1. Mid-life crisis during Articling?

    I wonder this as well. I know people who work at small firms/are sole practitioners and they haul ass because if they don't work the bills don't get paid. And BOUTIQUES! My friends at boutiques worked MUCH harder and MUCH longer hours and MANY more weekends than I did when I summered at a full service.
  2. Many (most?) of the people I work with don't have a business background, yet here we are. Firms care more about your aptitude for learning novel areas of law vs what you studied before. Of course I've seen students' business backgrounds come in handy as they whip out random spreadsheets and interpret documents that have others of us confused - but this is the exception not the norm. During the interview you'll be selling yourself and your transferable skills. You don't need to know what anything means. I went through my entire interview claiming I wanted to be a securities lawyer - after much googling I still didn't even understand what a security was until I summered (LOL). Additionally, having a business background often doesn't help you with the tasks you're assigned early on. You'll be asked to write memos on random things and you learn on the spot - you'll be fine. I will say though, you should genuinely have some sort of interest in the work done by the firms you're applying to. i get the part about drowning in debt - I'm there trust me. But this work can be dull/hard/long hours/stressful deadlines, etc. The work will be that much more excruciating if you don't even find it the least bit interesting. Thing long-term about what will make you happy.
  3. Looking for Best Chances

    Law school isn't going any where. There is no need to feel pressured to write the lsat while you're finishing your undergrad. I would suggest focusing 100% of you energy on getting the highest grades you can and then writing the lsat once you graduate. There is nothing wrong with a gap year - With your current plan you may hurt your chances if you do poorly on the lsat because you didnt have enough time to practice and then hurt your gpa because you were stressed about the lsat - double whammy.
  4. Choosing a law school

    Go to ubc! there is no debate. Take the money you save and explore Toronto multiple times per year if you want to. Lol. UBC is an amazing school, it’s beautiful and its grads are well received in the legal market. If you do well you can place in Toronto from ubc. Plus free boarding!?! Toronto isn’t worth the premium
  5. Western vs Osgoode

    I attended Oz and loved it, but as I stare my student debt in the face I'm not sure it's worth the premium. I've never attended Western (obviously) but I work with people who have and they have nothing but positive things to say. I wouldn't put too much weight on Western's "corporate law focus" though - I really do think this is purely a marketing thing since Western's corp focus doesn't seem to benefit students in terms of biglaw hiring. Oz also has a huge corporate law focus that includes multiple business-specific clinics and workshops taught by authorities in the field (I want to say that we had more than other law schools but don't quote me on this). Oz's proximity to downtown allowed the school to have numerous classes and clinics taught by Bay street associates/partners (some of the clinics and workshops are also taught right in the law firms if that's the short of thing that floats your boat. Though slepping downtown for a 6 pm class at Bennett Jones or Stikes can be a pain lol). Both schools will serve you well in terms of hiring. You should look at where you want to live, where you think you would have the best time and what makes the most economic sense.
  6. Worried B- student

    To OP (and others) never count yourself out of an interview! You have NO IDEA what recruiters are looking for. Why would you NOT apply? You're making a cover letter for other firms anyway, why not throw a cover letter at a firm. Don't apply to firms where you have absolutely no demonstrable interest in their practice area, but apply broadly otherwise. I never understand why a student with average/slightly below average marks would count themselves out without trying. Be realistic in your expectations but don't shoot yourself in the leg before the race even begins :@ *rant over
  7. Administrative Law: Course vs Module

    FWIW, I took the module and wish that I had taken the actual course. I assumed I wouldn't need it because I intended to practice general corporate law, but I encountered admin issues a number of times as a summer student and would have saved myself temporary confusion had I of taken the course and developed a better understanding of the material - instead of glossing over it in the module. TLDR: its not required anymore but I would still take it.
  8. Earth shattering [I kid - But it was too good to pass up]
  9. Current Canadian Law School Rankings??

    I can confirm that there are students from these schools that are still searching for articles. Whether the percentage is lower, I'm not sure. I do think it's silly to pretend that choice of law school doesn't matter. It does. I don't think we can make a definitive ranking list the way US schools are able to because there is a much tighter range of stats needed to get into any Canadian law school. With that said, there is a bias in the market (at least from what I've observed through first hand experience). Every year we see that recruiters will reach farther into the class at some schools than at others. And this makes sense. Many (some?) of the law students and 0Ls who obsess over rankings eventually grow up to become the associates making hiring decision .. unsurprisingly those biases stay with them and influence the way they hire
  10. But it's always relative, and people will always find something to complain about, even those in the most privileged positions. I don't think that those who complain about their first world problems are completely oblivious to the fact that they are in a very fortunate position. For example, I complain to no end about little inconveniences like traffic, but it doesnt take away from the fact that I'm also very grateful that I can afford to drive/maintain a vehicle.
  11. 2L Course Selection

    That lack of reading week makes it even worse. At least in ON they give us a reading week and schedule all of the interviews during that time. I would totally do a lighter load in Fall if possible. Best of luck in the process! Remember not to psych yourself out or make the process bigger/scarier than it needs to be.
  12. Attire for 'coffee chat' style meetings

    OP as you can see from the divide in this thread, you should air on the side of caution and dress a little toward the formal side. A full suit is likely not needed but I would wear a jacket (use the path to avoid sweating). The lawyers (and summer students) you meet with will be wearing most of a suit (if not the full thing). And although lawyers do take off their jackets and/or ties while they work, most put them back on when meeting with someone. I agree with the poster that said you should reciprocate
  13. Debate this: Summer Firm Tours

    I second this. I don't have a family full of "professionals" so it was helpful to see how others conduct themselves in a law firm environment. Prior to firm tours, I had never even really meaningfully interacted with a lawyer (I guess my law professors have been called to the Bar but you know what I mean). I was really awkward at my first firm event. I didn't feel comfortable holding a conversation, didn't know how to exit one, didn't know how to carry on a conversation while holding a glass of wine and eating a little messy snack off a paper towel (lol). Attend firm tours to get work your social kinks out if nothing else. I'm also a huge proponent of firm tours because I was able to leverage them to my advantage. I was able to turn a number of firm tours into coffee dates with people on student committees and other influential humans. You shouldn't go into a firm tour expecting this to be the result, but recognize that it can be..
  14. It's possible to attend a reception of one firm and dinner with another firm if time permits. I doubt you would be able to do two dinners since dinners are generally longer and don't give you the ability to sneak away unnoticed the way that receptions do. If you haven't already confirmed attendance to both dinners, perhaps try offering one of the firms a lunch for the following day? (Saying something to the effect of: I'm super interested in you but I already have another commitment on Monday at 6 pm. Would it be possible to schedule a lunch for Tuesday instead?) - I did this during recruit and it didnt hurt my offer - but there is always a risk that it does signal that a firm is lower priority if you're asking to reschedule a dinner. Not attending a reception can signal a lack of interest. I know of at least 3 firms that take note of which students don't attend (based on name tags). For this reason, I would try to make at least a brief appearance.
  15. I didn't think the article was that obnoxious. She's not living a particularly lavish lifestyle (aside, I guess from the luxury of not paying rent).