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  1. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    Yes, none of us read crystal balls. Doesn't negate the value of researching what paths exist.
  2. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    I dunno. Someone gets to be an astronaut. I'd just say, have a backup plan. If you want to try to be an international criminal lawyer or a secret agent or whatever, figure out what paths can lead there and build one that, worst case, also leads to something else you like. You might still make that investment, but only if it turns out that the back-up version of it is also an acceptable outcome. Don't bet money you aren't willing to lose, in other words.
  3. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    As someone who travels a lot for lawyer work, I would say it would be almost immeasurably more useful to spend a year adding a language to your toolbox than to learn polisci MGA material. My particular career might not be very cool or unique, but the people I'm adjacent to and who I have to attend parties with often have those careers. They all speak 3+ languages. I have never heard any of them mention a relevant non-law academic background. Two I can think of were chemistry majors. Again - don't assume that a university is being honest when it says the product it's selling will help, anymore than you would believe an infomercial on late night tv, and don't assume that any particular stone is a step on the way to a career - you can research and actually figure out if that's true.
  4. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    I would never advocate against the unicorn dream. I say dream as big as you want. But the people who turn those dreams into reality do so either through luck or through remarkable effort, diligence, focus and determination. Part of that is properly figuring out what gets you from point A to point B, if the dream is some specific point B. Three+ languages helps a lot with getting a career that takes you to different places. But you have to speak well enough to practice in those languages.
  5. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    To wit, Payam Akhavan has an LLB, an LLM and an SJD. Maybe take that as a data point.
  6. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    The aforementioned superhero domestic criminal lawyers. Here's the thing you might be missing: law is a technical skill. Like welding, some people are extremely good at it, and some of us are okay, and there's a whole spectrum. When you need someone to do the ICC kind of work,, your primary concern is not "did they do an MGA/do they know the theoretical approaches to International Relations?" It's "are they the very best criminal lawyer?" (Plus the other nebulous crap that goes into career advancement.) You don't need the best welder on earth to know jack about how SOEs foster client states in order for him to build your bridge. It's an important general point to be made - if you are interested in a career, find out what the jobs are, and find out what kind of people get those jobs. Don't assume that any particular degree helps with any particular job just because the school would be happy to tell you it does. They want http://gph.is/1LQmnRK ** I get to travel the world. That is definitely a possibility - there are lawyers, even young lawyers, who land in those careers. The rug being pulled out from under that dream is that traveling the world to lawyer is not really all that glamorous - you're exhausted, you get off a plane with 45 emails to answer as you shuffle through security, you spend 25 minutes trying to freshen up in a hotel room and then go where the work is all day. There's about 3 hours at night where you're having fun, but that's all because you are required to ensure the client (or partner or whoever) is having fun and you know there's more work to do when you get back to the hotel room at 1, or at least work to do when you wake up early the next morning. Then you spend another working-hours day on a plane, land at night to a full load of work.
  7. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    My question would be whether #1 is just misleading. Does an MGA help over and above the fact that some people like seeing "extra degree" on a resume? As in, would it be any different if you did a masters in philosophy? I think it's worth interrogating whether the extra ton of money and bunch of time has a reasonable chance of impacting your odds.
  8. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    It's not a niche area of practice - competition law is niche; M&A work for theme parks is niche. This is extremely rare. And the answer is what Diplock said in his first response to you. The people who get to actually work on international criminal law matters are people with 20+ years of top-flight experience with domestic crim law. They are mostly just the superstars of their country's crim bar. They don't have MGAs. Edit to add: What you've posted is actually precisely the line of thinking Diplock is worried about students having. "This has the word international and that has the word international, so it must be that they relate to each other in terms of careers." Lots of us go into the JD program without really understanding how different the career market is, what roles exist and how you get them.
  9. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    But which jobs? Diplock's contention, in part, is that to the extent such jobs exist, they don't require an MGA, nor does an MGA help with them.
  10. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    Try being direct and not sarcastic. The thread - obviously - is about when an MGA would be useful. What you've essentially said is, "for a career, but I refuse to tell you which one". That's a pointless, even misleading contribution and you know that.
  11. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    I've assumed he has a google alert. Or a spidey sense. Anyway, my point is that it's not good form to come on here and offer someone looking for facts or advice about law careers what can reasonably be seen as facts or advice (e.g. "I think MGA assists with career in int crim law") and then refuse to detail or discuss. Shocking as it may be, some people read the forum in search of actual facts or advice. Any of us may be wrong on those, so proper form is to be willing to be challenged and to engage it. If you just want to privately say something and not have it stand for others to see - that's what private messages are for.
  12. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    In that case, welcome to the forum and apologies in advance for our old habits. We have each seen a few dozen people with the misconception Diplock assumed you might have. It's often a quicker step for someone with D's experience to say "you might think x because y..." because we've seen that line of reasoning so very many times. Even if it's not the case with respect to any particular poster, it may be a frequent enough mistake that it's worth clearing the air once more.
  13. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    Treaties come up in my work too, in a tangential way most often. I wouldn't call that working in "international law" in the sense that people mean when they want to be practitioners of international law before heading to law school.
  14. I demand to know... why anyone would do a JD MGA?

    No, FCPA work is not even vaguely akin to international criminal law. It is primarily, almost overwhelmingly, a compliance job. The other end of it is internal investigations, which are not akin to int crim. Also, FCPA has nothing to do with foreign corruption law. It is a US law that captures acts overseas. That's different. The tax code also does that, but no one would call tax lawyers international men of mystery. Except Bob, maybe. It's a public forum. You offered a purported justification for spending a year of opportunity cost and time, plus thousands of dollars, on an MGA. There's very good reason to debate that if it's not a reasonable choice - other people might take your position as advice and others on this forum will debate whether it stands as good advice. That's what we do here. It's not about you. Not everything is about you. Edit: I mean, this is literally a thread for debating the usefulness of taking an MGA. You can't say "here's the reason I think it's useful and NO ONE ELSE MAY COMMENT UPON MY OPINION". Also, no. Just being interested in a subject is a terrible reason, in my opinion, to sign up for a degree. You can get the reading list for classes on your own and read those books and more. An undergraduate degree is designed to teach you how to research things on your own - use that skill, don't continue to pay the cash cow just because it's slightly easier. I got published in a field I didn't do a graduate degree for and I'm submitting again for another field. You can do it. The universities just don't want you to believe you can, because meaningless masters degrees really help with the revenue stream.
  15. I hope not. One of the very brightest lawyers in my year at the firm has a speech impediment. He is an exceptional associate and respected. That being said, I don't know whether it would impact him at all come senior/partnership years. So, if there is a barrier or hurdle for you, just know that people make it over the top and you can too.