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  1. Does summer work experience matter?

    Does it matter? Yes. At least when you're applying to legal employers - I don't know how seriously law schools take it. Does it matter more than the jump in LSAT score you're hoping to achieve by not having a job? No one can say. I don't believe there is value to studying the LSAT more than 3-4 hours a day/5 days a week for 8 weeks tops. I believe doing it 8 hours a day is detrimental, actually. I'm certain that doing it 7 days a week is detrimental unless you're a Bobby Fischer-esque savant, but then you're probably scoring 179 on your first practice test, so why bother. My suggestion would be this: if you care a lot about going to the best school you can (however you measure that), work a job and prep for the LSAT. If you care less than a lot, choose whichever one brings you greater comfort, because there is no way to accurately predict which will go better.
  2. Exchange versus taking more "relevant" courses

    Oh. There are tons of things to learn in other law schools. But it hasn’t been my experience that people come back from exchange raving about their newfound fluency in European securities law.
  3. Exchange versus taking more "relevant" courses

    You know the answer. Obviously, learning law is helpful to being a lawyer. Your firm won’t fire you for going on exchange. Smoking a bunch of weed in Europe and partying for three to four months is fun. Those are the terms. There’s no other point to consider. It’s just a straight up choice of having fun or developing as a future lawyer. Only you can decide which one is more important.
  4. I'm honestly a bit insulted you didn't go with Deep Blue. Most of the clever people I've met are a relentless mix of arrogant and never quite satisfied. I know this is now two hockey analogies, but Gretzky said he got bored before Mario joined the league - that boredom was the sense that he could coast and still be unquestionably the best at what he cared about. Mario made the NHL fun for him again. It gave him something to chase. I think a lot of talented people have a bit of a jarring experience the first time they run up against uncertainty. I was lucky that had happened to me before law school and already knew how to respond. Let it be fun. Let it be energizing. Be inspired by the Providence in your year, or the Afghan vet, or the world champ.
  5. Yeah. I mean, the work isn't always hard. I found it easier than math and I was pretty okay at math. But during 1L - when stress is a real problem for many students - it can be very difficult to feel assured that you will get those top marks.
  6. Bingo. The work itself won't always seem hard, but consistently hitting high marks probably will. And even having those high marks is no guarantee of entry into your preferred career path. There are a lot of roads to Rome and some people are already farther along those paths than you are or I was. I believe one of the causes of anxiety that so many law students face is the disorientating experience of no longer gliding to victory and the unfamiliarity with feeling like you're just somewhere in the rat race for a whole 10 months. You can avoid a lot of that and the unhelpful stress accompanying it by just deciding to focus your thoughts on yourself, rather than the field.
  7. To be only the bare minimum of fair, I think everyone else I meant to refer to in that list is significantly more accomplished - whether by gift, effort or both. I would say all of them, and to a lesser degree me, turned it up when they hit law school. And then turned it up again when they hit practice. Crosby got to the NHL and worked harder. Biggie got his first record deal and put more time into music. Daniel-san got to the tournament and doubled his efforts. I endorse that approach to life. There are no doubt many students who did worse in every stage of school than I did and who will have much more fulfilling, successful careers in law nonetheless. All you can do is keep doing your best and remain calm and focused. Also, you are too kind.
  8. Ask a 3L!

    Okay, well there are some parts of this story I'm missing. Regardless, the CDO is going to be about 100 times more competent at talking about bay street, and like all admin, they will do what they're competent at rather than what is helpful. But, frankly, law students are in their mid-20s. You can/I could learn about a job market on our own, and doing so will be extremely helpful in becoming a lawyer. In short, while I certainly echo Demander's lack of faith in the CDO, and they were equally unhelpful in my search, I don't think having a helpful CDO is important. It may even be detrimental - I'm happy no one could just hand me a playbook on how to find my career line. The journey of figuring it out taught me essential skills that merely receiving inherited wisdom would have left out. The CDO may be that wonderful rare thing in life where incompetence genuinely helps. I feel bad for the students who pursued careers the CDO could hand to them - some important growing up was lost.
  9. My class in law school had someone with a few tours of duty in Afghanistan, multiple people with national championships in their side-hustle (including me), at least one who was a world champ in their thing (not me), a few PhDs, some with extremely strong work experience, one who had started their own company, ... High GPA and LSAT are table stakes. 'I do school good' is now just the base level, though some people get in without it. I came in with a best 3 among the top and probably the highest LSAT my year - finished in the top 10% in 1L, but I can tell you that never felt like a lock. I wouldn't have bothered asking this question, to be frank. Who cares? You do your best, regardless.
  10. Law School Survival Guide Recommendations

    Just watch Rocky, really. Or Creed, as applicable.
  11. Ask a 3L!

    Really? That would be news to me. I've never heard of the CDO saying 'that's nonsense, be a corporate lawyer'. Though, I will say that as someone who was interested in markets outside Toronto their answer was pretty much 'we got nothin on that'.
  12. Ask a 3L!

    I'm alumni. I think the vibe question and the above CDO answer are (with respect) inaccurate or incomplete ways of thinking about it. The CDO knows how to OCI for bay best because (a) it's an enormous percentage of the market, relative to other categories, and (b) there is a lot of material on how to do it. I didn't find the CDO pushed us at all in any direction. What happens is this. Some percentage of students come in intending to go corporate. Some come in with crim dreams, some with family law dreams, some with social justice dreams. For the remaining 30-40% who had no particular path in mind, sometime around January of 1L, they start to understand just how big a deal OCIs are for the 2Ls - people seem very nervous about getting those jobs. At the same time, they start to understand that finding the career you want in law is actually quite difficult and there is a meaningful chance you won't get your first pick - whether that's NY corporate or union-side labor. All of a sudden, OCIs, the one chance you have to secure an articling position (basically) in 2L, becomes a bigger prize because it removes the burden of potentially losing out. At the same time, another trend emerges. A bunch of students who had a relatively easy time obtaining A- averages in undergrad start to see marks like "P, P, P, P, H, P, HH". For older students, this is fine and handled with relative ease. For students who don't have significant experience outside of school, and thus for whom their identity is tied very closely to their perceived scholarly success, this is incredibly disorienting. (And for those who see 5 HHs and 2 Hs, the opposite - it crafts a new identify of 'still kicking ass and taking names, son'.) Now they are scared about their job prospects, intimidated by the kids who know what path they're seeking, unsure of how many bites they get at the career apple, and overwhelmed by the choices, AND no longer get to rest on the identity of 'I'm the one who does the best at school things and therefore the smart one'. With all that thrown together, and a bunch of bay firms handing out free sandwiches, wine and a basis on which you can say "I succeeded and am still a handsome person", and something like 60% of the OCI jobs in the business sphere...well, guess which positions suddenly start to look pretty handsome. If you already have career paths in mind, you won't be affected by this. You're just going to get annoyed watching your cohort go through it.
  13. D+ average in 1L: Feel Broken

    Ha. Cobra Kai for life
  14. D+ average in 1L: Feel Broken

    Oh man. I can't tell you how much that stuff annoyed me. It turns out that despite being a video game-playing, pseudo-intellectual leftist, I actually prefer the 80s-style Eye of the Tiger/Top Gun mentality with something I want to get good at. I wanted law profs to tell me to be the best. I wanted a south park montage. I wanted that shit to be hard, daily, and I wanted it to expect me to grow and get better, daily. When I showed up on day one and they were preaching, "you're all already special, whatever happens to you here can't change that"...well, it was a let down. I do not thrive in "you're already special" territory. After 20 years of an education system that had already told me that, I was really hoping law was going to be the other thing. Nyet.

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