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  1. Very true. Don't do anything for resume padding--it is patent to the genuinely enthusiastic students when you do this, and it really doesn't serve you well in the long run either: not only will you have wasted time on non-interests, but you've also made a rather poor impression on your colleagues. That said, I still would be careful dissuading 1Ls from taking opportunities to discover their legal interests. Do be a tourist; don't be a phony. This can be a fine line, and hard to draw. You don't have to do everything, and in fact it will be obvious that you can't do everything. But you should note there are four classes of things that will come at you right away: Purely academic/legal work (readings, assignments, moots, clinics and intensives). Some mandatory, some optional. Do as much of this as you are capable--this is the reason you're in law school! Extracurriculars with responsibilities (journals, blogs, student government/leadership). None of these are mandatory, but you should only sign up for those to which you can give 100% of your attention. Osgoode-affiliated social organizations (sports teams, cultural and legal interest based, and other like-minded clubs affiliated with the student community). You can sign up for as many of these as you like, and if it becomes a burden, leaving is (depending on the organization, usually) as easy as not showing up anymore. It costs you nothing but spam to get on a mailing list. Purely social activities (eg. pub night). No obligation whatsoever to participate. You should try not to be a complete social ghost, but at the same time, you should try not to feel pressured into attending any/all of these. Prioritize from the top down, and you'll be fine. You should try and make time for all four, but if you start feeling pressure, make schedule cuts from the bottom up. In any event, my advice would be indeed to start, on "day one", to be at a minimum aware of everything. Ensure you priorities your studies, but don't let application deadlines get past you. And note that it'll be easier to get involved in social activities earlier in the term than later.
  2. 1. Use your upper year friends as resources for individual courses: I couldn't really give you any solid tips on how to prepare for profs--you don't even know who you have yet. But once you do, and when you start meeting people during orientation week, you'll find that upper years are more than willing to give you tips and summaries. 2. Get involved: Osgoode's best feature (not having attending other schools, mind you, but speaking to law students from other schools across Canada) is its robust assortment of activities and organizations. Do not merely go to class, then go home, with nothing in between. Take every opportunity to: join a student club or organization; participate in a moot, negotiation or drafting competition; volunteer for mentorship and counseling programs; join student government; and apply for whatever intensives and clinics appeal to you. Don't waste three years of tuition by not taking advantage of all the things your tuition goes toward. But also, getting involved will help build a network of people you can rely on, collaborate with, and seek advice from. 3. BYOC: The Coffee from the cafe in Ignat Kaneff (your Osgoode building) sucks and is overpriced. Elsewhere, there's Tim Horton's and Starbucks (and perhaps a Timothy's around?). I wouldn't pay more than a dollar for any of that swill (not because I'm picky, but because its farcical how much regular ol' brewed coffee costs these days). Whether living on or off campus, I'd brew at home. In a worst case scenario the best value is Tim's. Don't buy from the Cafe unless you hate coffee.
  3. No such thing. It is reasonable to think in a competition process that better grades are to your advantage and yours are patently appropriate in any event. If you had straight Cs, I might suggest saving the postage on an SCC application. Otherwise, apply to the positions for which you'd like to work.
  4. Like using summaries for law school exams, you can't and won't truly know if anything you're doing is effective or useful -- for you, personally -- until you try it out by practicing (eg. doing practice exam questions) in partnership with your edited materials. If your edits work, keep doing then. If not, don't. In my view, I can't see a lot of opportunities to do a better job than the the headings do in this regard - especially once you've read what's underneath them. If you understand the material under the heading, that may suffice. You may also find that simply highlighting a key phrase in the paragraph does an equal job without cluttering the page.
  5. Seconded - I've gotten my best grades on exams I left believing I had failed, because I either missed or completely misread questions. Meanwhile, my worst grades always come when I think I nailed it. Don't let your post-exam self-assessment spoil what should be a great and relaxing feeling having put one exam safely and permanently in your rear view mirror. You can't ever control how you performed compared to your colleagues, so the curve will do what it does and certainly one grade won't have any lasting effect on your career.
  6. It may be a good idea to follow that line of thought - talk to the lawyers you know (and I'm sure there are more on this board who can help) about what their workweek/workday actually looks like. And ask them (diplomatically) if any, how it affects/strains their personal life. New calls will have more relevant info for you in this regard - because that's the market you're entering. And remember that you'll get a much different experience across the range of different practices out there.
  7. Why? Why? The answers to both these questions, in my view, are crucial to your decision. I'm sure you have more insight. But in your words, you both "feel" you'll enjoy it and "worry" you won't enjoy it. Well, these are kind contradictory, and its going to be hard to provide advice without knowing why you might enjoy it and why you might not enjoy it, assuming they're different reasons. It sounds like there aren't any other real obstacles besides convincing yourself that practicing law is superior to whatever it is you're doing now - so superior in fact that the time/effort investment is worth it.
  8. Piggybacking on DA2's accurate response, Osgoode has -- despite the many baseless assertions I've seen on this thread in the past -- as strong a student community as any other school. This doesn't just go for strictly social events like pub night. Get involved! Join clubs and organizations, and take on leadership roles when opportunities arise. It is true that the commuter aspect doesn't force you to be on or near campus as frequently as you might at other schools, so if all you do is show up for class and go home afterwards, duh, you'll make no friends and feel disassociated. If you do what most people do here and participate even a little in the myriad of cool, unique stuff that Oz offers, then you'll realize soon your worries are totally unfounded.
  9. 1. It is totally normal to talk to friends/colleagues about how to convey or how they did convey interest in a potential employer. It is, in my experience, highly advisable that students communicate with each other. They should talk to their friends in the same year. They should talk to upper year friends and colleagues. They should talk to articling students and young associates. They can even, incredibly, seek advice from to the actual recruiters themselves! These types of conversations are not only commonplace, but I can't imagine going through a complicated and rigorous interview process without accessing resources willing to help you navigate the process. Get as much information as you can, then synthesize that by taking it all in grains of salt so you have something to work with. 2. It is equally normal (and again--advisable) to seek similar counsel from and cross reference the above information with your school's CDO. They expect it. If they are good at what they do, they can help you decide your ideal approach to communicating your interest in a potential employer. 3. I would. I'm sure you can conceive of the possibility that your CDO is simply giving you a general framework, and they don't expect you to literally and robotically repeat a phrase. It is your job to convey that message in a conversational way. It is not anyone's job to give you a magic set of words to get you a job. I have absolutely uttered the idea expressed in the above line to a number of employers--who have hired me--using my own language and normal way of speaking. "Hi, I really wanted to work here before the interview, so this is not surprising...but I've spent so much time talking to such fascinating and friendly people. This place really seems like my cup of tea, I'd be so happy to start my career with Morgan's LLP." Whatever. Something like that. Not that hard.
  10. Good thread. Loved Reading.
  11. Reading this thread and re-reading your older thread, I think you're unlikely to get the help you desire from this board. I recommend you talk to a professional: a career counselor, preferably, and even more preferably someone free your school provides. Most do. Alternatively, a wellness counselor or a therapist will do if available/affordable. The reason you should do this is because you probably need to sound your concerns out with a professional listener and not an online forum of lawyers/law students/law school hopefuls who will predictably tell you to tough it out. What is incredibly evident to me, as MP pointed out above, is that you are not here asking some sort of positive question "you know what, I've decided I no longer want to be a lawyer, I'd rather be an ________ (astronaut, sandwich artist, whatever)". That is a question this board might be equipped to answer. Instead, it is clear you've only decided the negative "I do not want to be a lawyer" matter, and you've done so after investing significant time and effort into becoming a lawyer. That's why the advice you'll get here is predictable in line with the Sunk Cost fallacy. That advice is probably sound, however, until you provide some specific information about what you'd rather be doing. I think the reality is that you need to explore your distaste for and apprehension of legal practice more. Some of your concerns, in my opinion, are unrelated to law itself -- they seem to relate to academia, study, and self-doubt. I believe you'd benefit from flushing these issues out with someone, in person, rather than giving up with nothing to fall back on. And I strongly believe you owe it to yourself to do this before making any life-altering decisions. It may cost you an hour or two of your life, which is a drop in the bucket to potential regrets you may have down the road. In any case, good luck with this. Don't let anyone--particularly on this board--make you feel bad about your trepidation, but be honest with yourself about whether your concerns have anything to do with legal practice or not.
  12. Some responses to this generally reasonable assessment:
  13. I've been at York campus for 7 dumb ttc-stationless years of my life and have never personally felt unsafe. That said, we get reports about armed robberies happening with some frequency: perhaps once every two months or so, on average. Are these incidents more frequent than sketchy behaviour that happens downtown Toronto? Or on any other school's campus? I doubt it. But a university campus should feel and be safer, so I understand the typical response to the email notifications we get which is "what the hell with this sketchy ass school". York administration and security is well aware of problem areas on campus, and it is a live issue that Osgoode has been dealing with. I can't really tell you what to do with this information. Personally, I don't think you are putting yourself at a higher risk of being a victim of crime based on your choice of school.
  14. 3L Oz student here, happy to answer some of these: I can't fathom why you might think this, but law school exams aren't harder for people who graduated one program as opposed to another; it especially won't be harder if you've developed strong memorization skills. You'll be fine. Once classes start, you'll have access to view all of the prior 1L exam questions, which will give you an idea of what the goal is. You're right that it is specific to the individual as to how best prepare for and answer exam questions. But understand this, and you'll be okay: most 1L grades are based on 100% exams. That means everything you learn in class should be applied to an exam question. Which means that you will succeed by looking at past exams (specific to your professor, of course) and start practicing them early--or, at the very least, by understanding what your professor expects of you once classes are over. You should practice with an aim at efficiently organizing and demonstrating you understand the legislative and common law bases for whatever argument you're about to make. As for 1L schedule, it is pretty much up to you how much you study. But it is wise, in 1L, to work as hard as you can. Competition is, understandably, at its peak level in 1L. Not that it is justifiable, but typically first year law students are eager AF. That's the reality. Most students accept this reality and adjust their expectations. My first semester was likely the busiest time of my life; I spent most of my free time (and sleep time) doing something school-related. But, once you figure out how you best digest and engage with your readings, you'll figure out how to adjust and become more time-efficient. Note that many students have different experiences, and some students can get by without doing much work outside class at all. Don't worry about this too much now. You're right, the clinics and practical experiences are all phenomenal at Osgoode. It, in fact, will be hard to choose one. Starting with orientation week, you are going to be exposed to an overwhelming amount of information about clinics, journals, law blogs, etc. Not to mention you'll be able to access all the upper year students who have participated in them and can give you their take. Unless you have a specific one in mind, and without knowing more about you, it is impossible to advise you here, though. As for research assistant work, I have been one for two years, since 1L. It is a great position to be aware of, and there are lots of profs who offer them. Keep this in mind though: the best way to work for a professor is to be genuinely interested in both the subject matter, and the particular work that a prof does. Don't seek out profs just because you know they hire. But if you come across a professor you happen to admire and respect, there's nothing wrong with expressing that you do (and perhaps why you do), and that if they are ever seeking student help you'd love to be considered for the position.
  15. Impossible to advise without more info, but it sounds like "your friend" made it to either the in-firm or OCI stage. If they flopped in-firms, the good news is they may have been a solid candidate who simply fell through the cracks. They may not have bad interview skills. Based on mine and friends' experience, they will likely be fine. Clerkships, 3L recruits, and general job-hunting typically works out for these candidates. On the other hand, if OCIs were the stumbling block, then poor interview skills may indeed be an issue. I'd hesitate to say anything without knowing more about this person's grades, experience and law school involvement, interview skills, etc. No matter who it is, though, the only rational response to failure is to take a breath, try and diagnose what went wrong, maybe adjust their expectations, and move on.