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NYCLawyer last won the day on October 14 2016

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  1. Some Articling Advice needed

    Good luck. The lawyer I most want to be in New York started his own firm right after law school. I know you have to article in Canada but don’t give up. You’ll find a solution.
  2. Elite Extracurriculars

    I don’t think so. Not that being white/clubby confers some massive benefit in Canada necessarily but as a comparative matter I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who did New York and Toronto recruiting who would say Toronto’s wasn’t a lot more RCYCish. Oops. That’s re MB’s misinformed comment.
  3. Elite Extracurriculars

    Ok. I mean honestly being fluent in pop culture is a useful skill for anyone in a client-facing profession. While it didn’t come up in my interviews I’ve had plenty of conversations with other lawyers, clients and colleagues about sports, including ones I didn’t grow up knowing about. Many of the most successful salespeople I know make it their business to keep up with pop culture and current events and have a wide range of current and/or interesting bullshit to talk about. Bullshitting with people you don’t know about something they like is a useful skill. It’s odd to me that anyone sees this as a conspiracy. It’s basic human dynamics and it’s completely easy for absolutely anyone to figure out regardless of background. Many people who are very good at this do not come from “old stock” families or have white skin. Many people who come from old stock families didn’t grow up knowing Drake’s latest songs. Drake comes up a lot if you’re a Canadian in New York. You want to sell shit to people, make common ground, and have an a bunch of different options for different crowds. No one topic is make or break but knowing shit about shit that people talk about in general is how to talk to people I don’t even know what I’m writing about anymore. I feel like this is “how to achieve basic human competency 101.” But even basic human competency is not actually required to get hired in US biglaw.
  4. Elite Extracurriculars

    I played hockey and I am a hockey fan. I do not recall talking about hockey or any other sport in any of my Canadian interviews. I got plenty of OCIs, in-firms and offers. It strains credulity that it’s a requirement or even a significant benefit to talk about sports in any interview. If I thought it was I would have spent a lot more time talking about hockey in my interviews. Actually that’s a lie I remember one discussion that amounted to the usual “oh you’re a leafs fan, I’m a habs fan, damned leafs fans.” Interviews do not involve in-depth statistical analysis of hockey.
  5. Elite Extracurriculars

    Sure, I’m not really trying to debate the definitions of true merit but for purposes of the present discussion where merit is roughly academic achievement plus test scores and not-merit is roughly signposts of social standing or wealth through extra curriculars and in-crowd “fit,” US legal hiring is way more meritocratic.
  6. Elite Extracurriculars

    What are you basing any of this on? For anyone reading this thread: Elite US firms only care about schools (which in turn only care about GPA and LSAT) and grades. My experience was that Bay Street hiring was WAY more schmoozy and clubby than Wall Street. I am no US biglaw apologist but it is inarguably one of the most pure meritocratic hiring processes ever, more so than Canada. Dipolck, you have this 180 degrees backward.
  7. I am old enough to remember a world before you could type “bikini” into google images and find models in bikinis everywhere. I never want to go back to that world. OP - Intelligence is not particularly important in law school or most legal jobs. I’m sure you’ll do fine if you go to law school but you still shouldn’t go - there are better things to do.
  8. I did not find these classes to be a helpful way to spend my time but you should do what you want. I’m not here to tell anybody how to live their lives. Well, I am, but I don’t expect that everyone should live their lives the way I tell them to.
  9. Don’t be a person who talks in class. Nobody likes those people. Definitely don’t be a person who has political arguments in class. Everyone actively hates those people. Once con law is over, you really shouldn’t be taking classes where there’s too much risk of this anyway as none of them are real classes. Honestly post con law if you find yourself in a class where this is going on you probably shouldn’t have signed up in the first place, and you definitely should not be attending any class that allows much class discussion as this is a COMPLETE waste of your time.
  10. You made a decision at 18 to study something for a reason like “hey I got into a good program I should go”? The horror. What kind of 18 year old hasn’t perfected the art of career decisonmaking? 95% of people go to law school because they think it will sound impressive to their friends and family and they’ll make ok money. So shame on you for not pursuing that lofty goal with more vigor, I guess. I can’t shed any light at all on your prospects of getting into IP law (or any other kind) so I won’t even try. I will say that spending a ton of time getting called and practicing just to say you did is probably not the right move. If you have a clear idea of how your theoretical legal job would move you toward a role you want to be in the long term term then do it, but otherwise don’t. If I was in your shoes (interested in finance) I would focus on getting the type of entry level commercial job that could leave you well placed to apply for an MBA in a couple of years, assuming you can’t get the kind of finance job you want right now. Don’t beat yourself up about the law school thing. You have a good degree after undergrad. You’re clearly a bright kid if you got into McGill (or another school) out of CEGEP. You’re still very young — not much older than any other college grad, and your great sin in life is not single-mindedly pursuing a life of legal drudgery when you were 19. This might be the best thing that ever happened to you. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start working toward a good job in finance or tech. Soon you’ll be delegating the boring stuff you don’t wanna do to your lawyers.
  11. Folks Outside the Law

    If I manage to get out of law I'll stick around and chat about how law sucks. You're welcome.
  12. Law School Survival Guide Recommendations

    I think this is more a difference between movies and real life than Canadian and American law schools. Although US schools are more committed to the socratic method than Canadian schools.
  13. Hire-back offer

    Congrats on the offer! I'm afraid I don't know whether it's fair for the market but it's always better to have an offer than not.
  14. Exchange versus taking more "relevant" courses

    For god's sake go on exchange. Law school is a total waste of time. People move to totally different countries from where they went to law school and don't miss a beat. You should not consider even for a second that you should not participate in an exchange because you might miss out on secured transactions. If you must, take some relevant corporate law classes while on exchange. They will be equally useless abroad as in Canada but if it makes you feel better who am I to stand between you and your dream of taking corporate law classes.
  15. Providence is finally becoming a conservative. *beams with pride *sheds a single tear of joy
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