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  1. Christmas gifts for articling principals?

    Yeah - don't go spending too much - If I could I normally got fun inexpensive "inside joke" type gifts. I was very close to my articling principle - and instead of getting them an actual gift I just bought an expensive bottle of scotch for myself and invited them to have a drink with me before the holiday break. That might not be kosher for every type of work environment though so it's up to you to have a feel for whether that would be appropriate.
  2. Moving from Vancouver to Toronto

    You should stick with your firm in Vancouver because you have articles secured. If you're ultimate goal is to end up on Bay the chances of you doing it to the articling recruit are incredibly slim. You're better to do your summers and artcling in Van and then assess your situation. Then you can decide whether you want to try and get hired on in Van or apply to first year associate positions in Toronto. You will have to write (and be called) to the Ontario bar before any firm in Toronto will even consider you, they are not going to make you an offer on the *promise* that you will write it. I summered and articled in a National firm - I can tell you that associates basically never transfer within the firm to different locations (I've only heard of it happening once and it was an extraordinary circumstance). If you're hired in Van, they likely will not be open to you moving to Toronto within the firm. The more senior you are the easier it is to lateral - in my own field it seems like everyone is looking for a 3-4 year associate. It can be more difficult as a first year (especially if you're looking to land on Bay), but it definitely happens - there were several firms this past year who were looking for first years to join their newly called articling class.
  3. Should you go to law school?

    If you don't like reading a lot then don't go to law school. I still can't believe how much I read in a day (hint - it's way more in practice than I ever did in law school).
  4. Do firms give time off for winter holidays?

    Yes - as an articling student I worked that week - it meant that my colleagues could have it off and it wasn't a real burden because it was just so dead (I was usually in 930 and out around 4 - throw a very long lunch in there and that was my day). In a way I sort of viewed using my vacation over that week as a waste because I kind of felt as though I was on vacation anyway. Now - as an associate it's a different story - I have a lot of vacation days and if we don't use them by the end of the year we lose them. The firm also really encourages us to use them and I've already hit my target billables so I've organized my work such that I'm basically taking over half of December (including that week) off.
  5. 2018 2L Recruitment

    3. Or summer/article at a large (i.e. National or international) firm in a different city and then apply for first year associate spots as they open up on Bay.
  6. Lower grades at a more competitive school?

    (4) How good the other students in your class are. Remember, you are being compared to them. If you are in a class with an unusual number of students who "just get it" then it will be very difficult for you to get over a B. If you are in a class where a significant number of the students are struggling and you put your nose down and "figure it out" then you'll probably get over a B. Something I always think about when working with UofT grads is "it cost me half the price to get my JD and here we are, doing the same type of work, earning the same amount of money...."
  7. 2018 2L Recruitment

    A colleague of mine received an interview offer from them last week (Thursday I believe).
  8. Screwups and Faceplants

    I've totally done that - second year summering for back to back trials - it was exhausting and on about day 17 I messed up the order a whole days documents in the judge's binders... I still remember how my heart sank in the back of the court room... Never happened again though.
  9. Making mistakes

    The Biggest mistake I have ever heard of had to do with a firm failing to serve and file their client's Notice of Application within 45 days of receiving a Notice of Allegation under the PM(NOC) Regulations. This is the rule upon rules for PM(NOC) cases. If the 45 day deadline is missed the generic can automatically come into the Canadian market (usually, if you file on-time, then the application delays the entrance of the generic product for 2 years while the case is decided). You cannot extend the 45 day deadline and there is no relief if you miss it. Remember - hundreds of millions of dollars (sometimes even over a billion dollars - depending on the drug and the patent life) hangs in the balance with these proceedings. A company lost all of that money because their lawyer couldn't count properly. Now that's a big mistake. And the lawyer who did it is still a big partner at a fancy firm.
  10. Sometimes yes, but on a normal day we are grossly under-dressed (flip-flops and hoodies on a usual Wednesday are known to happen). But for meeting clients or going to court -- expensive suits and watches are definitely a thing.
  11. Making mistakes

    Hey, it happens. If it were me I would probably broach it with the partner just to make it known that you realize it was a mistake and it won't happen again (I find apologies and execuses in these situations are useless - just take ownership and move on) There is no point in beating yourself up about it (I know - easier said than done). That being said, make sure you learn from it. I'm just starting out, and during my time as a student and even as a baby associate I have made some really inconsequential, but sometimes, very stupid mistakes. I know they make me look so darn stupid, and I just can't help but beat myself up about it. So, I take maybe 15 minutes to really let myself feel stupid and ashamed for being so stupid, and then I try to "bottle" that feeling so that I will do anything I can to avoid feeling that way again. The next time I do that sort of work (prepping for trial, drafting materials, research etc.) I remind myself - "now, there was that time I did that really stupid thing - remember how stupid you felt, double check everything to make sure you don't feel stupid like that again". What do you know - the incidence of my stupid mistake making slowly decreases (until I do something entirely new and then we are in territory that is ripe for stupidity, but eventually, I know I will learn from that too). In the end, so long as you learn from it, being stupid is really a means to (eventually) being not so stupid.
  12. LGBT-Friendly Firms

    I'm not sure if Norton Rose is one that you are thinking of, but if it's not it should be on that list. As with any question of diversity, there will still be some level of discrimination (conscious or subconscious) with some people at some firms. For example, there is one particular firm I can think of that has a real "bro" culture and I have gay colleagues who found it uncomfortable to fit in there. I have another gay colleague who was out in their personal life but felt uncomfortable coming out at work because they were afraid that some of the older partners would look down on it (despite the firm having an active diversity program). So, I think the answer is that generally on Bay street it's "getting better", but there are still undertones of homophobia and discrimination that can seep out every now and then.
  13. The only time I ever experienced something like this was when I was an articling student giving tours to summer applicants. There was one candidate who I really liked, she was smart, easy to converse with, had great questions etc. When I went to report my interaction with some of the hiring committee partners they met my enthusiasm with bland replies. They didn't really like her - and the only reason I was given was because she had a "makeup malfunction" - i.e. her eye makeup had smudged over one of her eyes and it was very noticeable when she blinked. The partners who I was talking with (2 of whom were female) were of the opinion that if she was really diligent about her interviews she would have done a makeup check and fixed the problem before the interview. To me the logic seemed so arbitrary and superficial that I was very taken aback - but there you have it - appearance does matter. I was happy to hear she landed at another great firm during that very same recruit cycle.
  14. This was definitely a thing at the firm I summered and articled at. Happily, I'm still friends with the receptionist there.
  15. I'm sure Ryn already knows this, but for other readers - your years in graduate school do not count as "employment". So, (using a completely unrelated to me example) if you have been out of your undergraduate for 5-7 years to say, complete a PhD, and then you decide to go to law school - you are still not considered a "mature" student.