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  1. I agree with this. Yeah, it’s nice to talk to someone who’s into the same things, but it’s also interesting to hear about someone’s passions that you haven’t tried yet. Also, to a point from another poster before, I don’t know if we can call #immigrantproblems racism... immigrants are made up of all races. I’m also a bit surprised about all of the comments with respect to minority disadvantage in the hiring process in 2L. I’ve only worked at large firms, but we pass over objectively better candidates (grades, experience) to try to get visible minorities hired, and it’s not easy because the big firms fight over them. It’s overall, a good initiative, imo.
  2. Ryerson Admissions

    I would probably go to Ryerson over Windsor or Lakehead. Just because of location. I think it will likely be an excellent school, though probably lacking in career development and certainly lacking in alumni network. If I were a professor at a school in a smaller market I would strongly consider moving to Ryerson, to be in Toronto. And, as a practitioner, I would be happy to take the two stop subway ride from Bay Street to teach a course.
  3. I disagree with this. I frequently warn people away from law, despite loving my job. In my experience, it is true that most students do not know what a career in law is going to be like. They think it’s like suits where you do criminal one day and corporate the next. They think it’s a magical ticket to a lifetime of wealth. They don’t realize the time commitment that is generally required. They don’t consider the costs of exorbitant tuition and lost opportunity. They don’t realize the stresses and responsibilities and the tedious tasks that come with the interesting ones. So, I’ll tell them about as much of that as I can. Then I’ll tell them about why I like the job and why I think I’ll never leave it. I’ll tell them that I make a good wage. But then I have to hammer-in my point that I’m in the minority... because I am. And the more I hear from undergrads, the more it becomes my responsibility to push them to not consider law. Someone who wants to be a wealthy and famous criminal lawyer, or work for the UN on human rights missions, or even Bay Street or bust types. If that’s all that will make you happy, you should be told that the chances are slim.
  4. OCI Prospects for Potential Transfer

    I disagree that Osgoode students are thought to be better than Western students.
  5. Tuition increase

    Not related to Osgoode specifically but, related to financial aid in general, I paid under $5k in tuition at Queen’s after taking government and program grants into account. So, it can take a lot off the sticker price.
  6. What are examples of "strong" ECs?

    Beat me to this one.
  7. Tips on Being a Great Summer Student

    An articling student who was new to our rotation told me that she'd check in with me once a day to see if there was anything I'd need. She must have read the look on my face after she said that, because she never came back again, lol. When we need you students, we shall beckon you from your caves. (but, ok, sure, you can chat with us sometimes and generally don't be afraid to offer to be helpful)
  8. You want to litigate? choose Ottawa Law.

    As much as I don't like Ottawa as a school, it might just have the best mooting program in the country.
  9. Canadian Law Student Youtubers

    Never knew anything like this existed. Wonder if she's single.
  10. Does # of articling students matter?

    I haven't really gone through anything similar. But, assuming the firm's are similar size, does that mean there's a better hireback chance where you're the only one in contention?
  11. Good luck, guys. It really is a tough market and there are many great students who have missed out on positions, thus far, due to a paucity of vacancies, and not because of any flaws in what they have to offer. If somebody told me that I had to do everything over again, I know there's a real risk I would end up empty-handed, as might anyone in this market. However, this is all only to this point in time. Many employers won't know they have a need until it arises, so just wait, apply, make connections, and be patient.
  12. My issues with these sorts of things will always be the same: (1) overlooking select candidates based on criteria that is not rationally connected to the performance of the job reduces the chances of hiring the most qualified candidate (assuming ethnic background isn't a "qualification", which, for some jobs it might justifiably be); and (2) I find that most of these sorts of initiatives are aimed at filling a certain proportion of an organization with "diverse" employees. My problem is this: Imagine we have a goal that an organization hires for its management positions in relation to ethnicity and in proportion to how prevalent those ethnicities are in the population. Imagine also, they're looking to do so by filling positions as they are vacated, rather than terminating people and replacing them with others. Now, say an organization is 75% European, 15% Asian and 10% African. The population is something closer to 50% European, 30% Asian and 20% African. We could look at those figures and say that there is an equality problem, and we're probably right. However, it's a different generation of individuals who are holding those positions than are applying to the vacant positions (not with all positions, but generally). So, if an organization decided to artificially compensate for the incongruency, by deliberately filling vacancies out of proportion (maybe, hiring Asians at a rate of 45% and Africans at a rate of 30%), what results is that the current generation of job seeking Europeans are hired well below the 50% rate at which they exist in the population. And I just don't like the idea of one generation paying for the privileges that a past generation was afforded. That said, I think there is organizational value in having a minimum level of diversity, assuming that diversity of origin is in some way correlated with diversity of perspective and opinion, or where it opens access to different markets.
  13. Ryerson Law by 2020 - Letter of Intent

    I think offering those types of courses is a great idea. It teaches law like business schools teach business, giving you the skills to either run your own shop or contribute to running someone else's. Nobody looks at a commerce program and complains that it doesn't teach its students about specific widgets. It is up to the student to select or invent those widgets and then to peddle them using the organizational skills they learned in school. I think it's a lot easier to learn the law on the job than it is to learn to code or project manage. However, a caveat, they need to know enough black letter law to be able to issue spot so that, at minimum, they can figure out which section of the CED to open up.
  14. Negotiating Articling Salary

    I mean. This is a pretty ridiculous statement. Some articling students will have strong personal networks already that they can draw from. And in a small shop, it wouldn't strike me as out of the question to have a couple hours extra each week to make some calls, attend some events, or publish some blog posts/articles. At my firm, students rarely bring in business, because few people have networks filled with people/businesses who can afford to pay our rates, but even here it happens. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult in a practice that caters to family law or small businesses (or something else of that sort).