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  1. Advice on a Strange Articling Offer I Received

    I know the firm of which you speak. They do have a solid reputation, and if I were them I would have likely hired you without an interview as well. Or the interview would have went something like this: Q: so you want to work in FSJ? A: yep. Q: really? A: yep Q: Really, really- I mean you have been there in winter, and mud season and wind season or basically any time ever? A: Yep. YER HIRED. I would have been slow to actually take the position if I were you though. While not impossible to mentor over the phone, it wouldn't be easy. Congrats on getting your position, and good luck. My FSJ hate is mostly in jest and brought about from working in the patch during the boom years. I am sure it has improved immensely since I was there. Pink Mountain and teh Northern Rockies are still one of my favorite places.
  2. Junior associate $20 an hour???

    Most tax lawyers don't do a great deal of math....but they usually can if they must.
  3. Junior associate $20 an hour???

    The focus purely on $ has always seemed odd to me. I know, this is largely going to fall on deaf ears - but allow an old donkey to tilt at windmills for a moment. If you focus on the quality of the work that you do, fire clients that waste your time, take interesting files that may or may not pay well - what other job allows for the kind of personal fulfillment that this one does? People pay me to learn stuff. I know more about the intricacies of a 100 different trades, occupations and businesses. I can basically set my own hours, I can work from most every place in the world that has internet, I get to meet interesting people doing interesting things every day. ..and yet I still make enough to have a quiver of well used skis, a bike for every occasion, I see my kids every evening, make it to each and every one of their events. Sure it can suck a bit at times, but that is why they call it work and people need to be paid to do it. If you talk to many very successful lawyers you may find that financial success is closely related to finding an area or practice that you really like. tldr- who the fck cares what you make articling.
  4. Junior associate $20 an hour???

    ^ respectfully, without context of other markets how can we discuss the legal market? What else would we compare it to? Past markets? - they are in the past and are hard to compare. (why in my day we had it hard -- actually we didn't I even managed to get a big law job first try) Are there dental grads being asked to work for $20 an hour (plus bonus I gather?. I understand that the job market for many young professionals is being fragmented and folks with newly minted degrees in many areas are required to take temp, contract, low/no benefit positions to get by. Seems that this is relevant to the legal job market no?
  5. Junior associate $20 an hour???

    Or you could answer the job add that many, many do reply to: "initial hiring fee of $50,000,. You will be required to pledge your life and soul to a bank. You will pay all staff, overhead, licensing, in exchange you will be entitled to 100% of your non-guaranteed billings- success doubtful"
  6. Negotiating Salary outside of Toronto

    Hopefully they get back to you. You can also use Crown salary in the area as a kind- of starting benchmark. The great thing about salary is you can discuss it as often as your employer is willing (for me it once every 30 years- others are less accommodating). I wouldn't get too caught up in your salary in the first year. Get something that seems fair, and prove you are worth more in your first year. This was my technique, I basically took my DT Van articling salary and was just so happy to get out of Vancouver, it didn't really matter. 10 years on, I make less (and ski more) than my friends that still work at my old firm, but probably more than the majority that quit after 3-4 years. Your first year out after changing from big to little, is a bit like a second articling term. You should get paid a fair,competitive salary, but you will have your entire career to make it back if you are a little short the first year. tl;dr - don't sweat it too much,
  7. Negotiating Salary outside of Toronto

    The more you know right. You said that you have connections in the community - time to work those connections. While some may think it uncouth to discuss salary - it doesn't appear to be an issue with my associates. I get constant updates on what other firms are paying (to which I reply - "if you sew more shoes you get more gruel- back to work") I would just call some of the other newish called lawyers in the community and go for a beer, coffee, whatever and ask where they are at.
  8. Firm Perks

    ..and they are hiring http://www.millertiterle.com/say_tag/job-opportunity/ could join some of their other employees http://www.millertiterle.com/people/norman-stroh/ http://www.millertiterle.com/people/dylan-wiegele-2/
  9. The ability to focus is somewhat important in law school. Is this an issue for you? If it is - then sure take the test wherever-however it will be hard to determine in advance where the distraction will be the worst. What if the person next to you at UofT has a cold, an annoying foot-tapping tick, insists on clicking their pen, clearing their throat, humming Justin Beiber and Katy Perry songs? You may want to do some practice tests in an environment that allows for some distraction just in case.
  10. What is wrong with Mississauga? I wrote in Prince George B.C. and did fine. Nice quiet place Prince George.
  11. Cold emailing local firms/ soles

    One thing - ok few things. Most SP are sole for a reason, some but not all of those reasons are: 1) no one wants to practice with them; and 2) they don't want to practice with anyone. There are some other reasons, criminal defense seems a bit more conducive to a sp shop for example. One thing you will likely find is that a sp is a busy human. When they hear the words "1 on 1 relationship" in the articling context, I would suspect they hear a loud whooshing sounds as the opportunity to do actual billable work slips away from them. FingersC, you are probably the very best, most conscientious of students - but you will still likely be a drag on the operation of an office right at the time when most lawyers are trying to get some family time. So some hints: - try broadening your search to firms of 2-5 or more lawyers if there are any in your town. If not consider a small firm in a nearby center. - work your network, who do your friends and family use as a lawyer, (it is harder to say no to someone if they are recommended by a client). All things being equal after doing all the due diligence you can (talk to people, read the cases, go to court, take in cba activities or local bar events)- approach the person that looks like they may need a succession plan (read - the old dude). Good luck.
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