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    Investment banking might be an option if you have some profundity with numbers and model analysis. Corporate executive is an option on the strength of the MBA. Management consulting akin to the work of McKinsey & Co. is also a viable option. You could potentially teach at a college. Generally, an LLB/MBA (soon to be JD/MBA for most graduates) opens the doors that an LLB or MBA open separately. Together however, I'm not sure if any doors open that would otherwise be closed to a competitive candidate (read: students with excellent grades).
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    Interesting Article

    I should clarify. More lawyers work in the golden Horseshoe than in any one other area of Canada.
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    Interesting Article

    Umm... you work just as many hours in Vancouver as you do in Toronto. In fact, Calgary may be quite close as well. Look to the billable hour expectations of the respective cities. If I read correctly, the 50 hours a week figure is for three major cities in the US. I would imagine New York would be included. Second and third are anyone's guess. The small centres may be anywhere. But back to Canada. More lawyers work in the Golden Horseshoe than anywhere else in Canada. Yet, most lawyers do not work in big firm settings. So how do we reconcile the average hours for a lawyer? You can work in a big city but not necessarily in a big firm. And many sole-practitioners put in "Bay Street" hours. I'm just a law student, but I suspect that you are going to work hard anywhere you land. And if you want to make a lot of money then you have to work the long hours, notwithstanding your employer.
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    Admission Question

    Try as hard as you can to write the LSAT in December. February is a tough sell. First, with February, you do not get to see the LSAT test that you wrote. So its hard to see where you made mistakes. Secondly, you have no chance to rewrite if you felt like you had an off day. Good luck!
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    Osgoode/NYU vs. U of T

    You may also want to consider what type of experience you want to have during your law school career. UofT and Osgoode, while generally viewed as polar opposites, share many qualities. They are both feeder schools for Toronto's bar, they are both well furnished with adjunct faculty from the GTA, and they both carry a certain degree of prestige with them. If you get a degree from Osgoode and you did well in terms of grades, you can go anywhere you want (except Watchell). Ditto for UofT. When you add NYU into the mix, I think you are really just switching up your study environment. You are diversifying your learning experience. If you can afford the extra year of schooling and added living expenses, then the NYU option may actually serve you well even if you remain in Canada to practice. You meet more people. Your thoughts are challenged even more. You learn from more diverse perspectives. If you were only thinking about going to the NYU option to get into the NY bar, then that is also a good idea, but you could also probably just go to NYU for that. Many people from Osgoode and UofT go to NY without an NYU JD. I guess I'm just trying to say that there's more to deciding your schools than where you want to practice. Food for thought.
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    Preference for minorities

    Osgoode definitely values diversity (i.e. under-represented minorities) but that is not enough to get you accepted. A friend of mine applied and in his personal statement he discussed being black. He applied via the access category (which is being phased out by the way). Osgoode contacted him and asked him to elaborate on how being black has affected his educational experience and presented barriers. So being a minority isn't a guaranteed way into law school. For reference, my blended was about 3.47. My last two years of undergrad gave me an A average and my LSAT was 163. I probably could have been accepted into a few schools via regular admission. But under the access category, I knew the standards were more "relaxed." Hope that helps.
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    western vs osgoode

    I should also add that from my (very) limited interactions with lawyers responsible for weeding out law students, the prestige of one's school only matters if you are neck and neck with another candidate. And even then, some lawyers have suggested that they like having students from different schools. I'm not sure how much weight ti put into that since I was asking about job prospects when I was determining what faculty to attend. I just look at it this way: I'm not the school. My CV will say a lot more about me than the school I attend.
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    western vs osgoode

    I chose Osgoode over Western for a few reasons. 1. Cost. I live with my mother in Toronto. Going to Western would have added +$10k per year in expenses. And yes, Western's tuition is lower, but it is only one or two grand cheaper. 2. Availability of courses and clinical programs. Osgoode is tops for this. No other law school in Canada boasts as many course offerings or clinical education opportunities as Osgoode. This is large part due to Osgoode's size. 2a. Exposure to more types of law and people who are interested in them. In my first year class there were the common Bay Street dreamers as well as municipal law kids and environmental law folks as well as aboriginal rights advocates and the list goes on. I'm sure you will have a diverse (in terms of interests) class whereever you end up, but I felt that that the size of Osgoode afforded me a better opportunity to meet and interact with a larger and more varied group of individuals. I cannot speak on the experience at other schools, but having finished my first year, my expectations were met. 3. Diversity. I am a black law student. My experience at Western's open house and other tours is that there are between 5-10 black law students in the entire school for all years combined. Osgoode has this in its first year class alone. Sadly, I don't know of many aboriginal students in my class. I think diversity is important because everybody brings with them their own life experiences and perspectives. Being exposed to as many as possible only makes you wiser, methinks. 4. Financial Aid. Osgoode has one of the most substantial student financial aid programs around. I was granted more than twice what Western offered in bursaries. When I was considering Western, these points were really sticking in my head: 1. Western's Ambition. I found that Western is really striving to be one of the top law faculties in the country. Unfortunately for them, Osgoode is already one of the top. I didn't want to enter a faculty that is playing catch up. I don't mean to speak bad about Western, but last year when they released their 5 year plan (I think it was called that), they said they wanted to be one of the top 5 law schools in the country. Osgoode is already there. 2. Western's Facilities. I had always heard that Western had one of the best buildings in the country. This is true. But in the end, I didn't think the look of the building should influence my decision as to where to spend my 45k on a legal education. On a side note, in a few years, Osgoode's new expansion wing will be complete (2010) and the facility issue will be moot. 3. Western's collegial atmosphere. I think this is one of Western's top selling points. It is true, Osgoode is a commuter school. It is also very cliquey and if you do not find a group to hang out with, you will feel isolated. It is very possible to finish first year without knowing even 30 people in Osgoode's first year class of 300. I was not one of those people, but I know a few people who suffered this fate. The reason why I didn't not allow this point to sway me over to Western is that if I went to Western I would have been pretty strapped for cash. So even if everyone is collegial and hangs out together and goes to bars and stuff, I would have been too broke to fully enjoy it. But if money is less of a concern or you have LOCs and loans that can help you, this should be a huge determinant of your school. Three years of seeing people for most of the day means that most of your life for three years will be with these people. 3. Getting away from it all for at least three years. I never went away for school. I really really wanted to go away. I can't stress how much I wanted to just go away for school. Going to Western would have allowed me that opportunity. But alas, my financial situation precluded that option. ...there is probably more to it, but I think this might be helpful to some people. I want to note that Bay Street placement was not important to me since I don't want the Bay Street (never see home) lifestyle. But if you do care, don't mistaken Oz and Western's similar percentages for placement with similar absolute numbers. Oz places more people on Bay Street. But it also has a larger class. But it still means that more people from Oz go to Bay Street. To be fair, if money were not a concern, I would most likely have gone to Western. As one of the above posters noted, if Western isn't a good fit, I could always transfer afterwards.
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    What to do??

    you have a very high chance of getting into Oz with a 3.63. But I would still pay the deposit... just in case. You may want to call the school and tell them your situation. Explain that you cannot afford to lose $300 and you would appreciate knowing your status if it is available. If it is not available, I would pay. You never know... and losing $300 is far better than losing an entire year because you didn't reserve a spot in a law school.
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    urgent question about summer job

    Its all about grades. Well grades and connections. So if you get great grades you can get a great job. It is also about connections when you veer off of the government and bay street firm zone. But grades get you anywhere. These grades do include your undergrad marks for 1L jobs!!! Having law related work experience won't be a unique selling point when you are applying for jobs. Many people in your class will have been law clerks or just admin at firms as well. Law firms want smart people who are motivated to succeed. They gauge this by your grades. I'm not sure about letters of recommendation, I think its a grades game.
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    osgoode rez problem

    There are many other living options around campus that are probably a 10-15 minute walk from Osgoode. There is the village, Murray Ross, Fountainhead, and others. I don't know the pricing but I do know they are more affordable than residence. In my section, most people who lived on campus lived in residence (Passy and/or Assiniboine). But some lived in the Village. The ones who lived in the Village didn't suffer for living so far (though the winter walks can be crazy!!!). I wouldn't worry about it.
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    Access Catagory

    this is early. Last year happened in late may early june!
  13. Okay... having finished my first full year of law school I can offer a little more advice here: Getting good grades is not necessarily about being the smartest; it is about having access to the answers to the questions of the exams the quickest. So what does that mean? You hear stories of people who never read a page in their textbook and get As. They exist. But more realistic for the average intelligent person is reading the ext in its entirety. They say its a lot of reading. It is not a lot of reading. At least my section at Osgoode did not have a lot of reading this year. If you read everything (and by read I do not mean cram the week before the exam), you will have a substantial advantage over most of your classmates. Everyone can find a great summary (or at least make or transform one into a great one). But couple a great summary with knowledge of the entire course material will most likely ensure you a B+. To get that A, you need to do something that most summaries and/or course material will not give you. It requires reflection and creativity. But trust me, reading the materials (not cramming) will afford you a real advantage. Besides, if I'm wrong, whats the worst that can happen?
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    Help! Academic Dishonesty?

    I second ALMOSTDONE: seek qualified legal advice. I don't want to debate the merits of the defence of attempted cheating. I'd rather avoid all charges, be it a completed offence or an inchoate one. Define your goals (i.e. I don't want an academic dishonesty charge on my transcript). Seek legal advice to understand your options. Make your own decision based on the information you have received. I know its convenient to ask your fellow lawstudents.ca members for advice. Its like confiding with your friends. I don't fault you for that. But remember, chances are, they know about as much as you do about it all (if not less considering its happening to you!).
  15. Echoing what anonymous law student wrote, law school grades are less about evaluating the merits of your work and more about your class rank. And since the majority of law students are A students (or at least have more than a handful of As), you are being ranked against people who have mastered course material before. What does that mean? It means that while you might have been the hot shot in Physiological Psychology - PSY430 at U of T, you weren't the hot shot in Cartesian Logic PHIL3390 at UGuelph. And so everybody is entering with their bag of tricks and abilities. Just because you know the answer to every question on the exam does not gurantee you an A. In fact, I figure that about 65% of my class knows the answers to every exam question we are asked. But the grades are derived from our ability to write out the answer. And coupled with time limits, its about who can dish out the most comprehensive and complete answer. The best answer gets an A+ and depending on your class size and school grade distribution curve, it goes down from there. Generally nobody fails out of law school (unless you commit a gross omission on all of your exams). At Osgoode, 65% of the class gets a B or B+. 15% get an A or A+. Then 20% get lower than a B (though there is a 5% discrepancy allowance). So in a sense, they are a crap shoot if your only reference point is your personal effort and self-confidence. But if you recognize that your grades are actually your rank, then it is not a crap shoot. The obvious question is then: how do you improve your grades if it depends on the performance of other people? The answer: hell if I know... if I did, I'd have straight As. By the way, since the Osgoode curve is B, having a B+ GPA means your doing better than most of your classmates!!! And since most of your classmates entered with A averages, law school will be a humbling experience for some.